Any questions?
2011-06-04
I'm addicted to learning. Trying to figure out the ways of the world. Trying to understand how other people think, how I think, and how to bridge the gap.
They say there are a few stages of learning:
- unconscious incompetence
- conscious incompetence (<-- me)
- conscious competence
- unconscious competence
This past year I've been mostly publicly silent because I hit stage #2. I'm overwhelmed with how much I don't know. I feel like a novice at everything. This is daunting but good.
There's a parable that Socrates had a student who asked him, “How can I get wisdom?” Socrates walked him down to the ocean until they were both standing waist-high in the water. Then he grabbed the student's head and pushed it underwater, holding it there while the student struggled and panicked. When he let go and the student stood up, gasping for air, Socrates said, “When you want wisdom as much as you wanted that next breath, you'll get it.”
I spend most of my time learning - reading, studying, and quizzing myself to retain what I've learned. But I've been neglecting the other most important part: using what I learn to create something useful. (I'll have more news soon about the stuff I'm creating.)
Writing these posts on my site is useful. I'd like to do a lot more of it. So... it's time I ask for questions.
Most of my posts have been in response to questions I get by email.
So, to get me writing again, I could use some questions.
If you want to hear my thoughts on something, please email me a single question to derek@sivers.org now.
(Yes it has to be by email. I can't answer big questions inside a little comment-box here. Email me.)
I think you could cut out the last two stages and have a perfectly good explanation of learning.
Are you doing enough?
I agree. Reminds me of a quote: "The trouble (or the good thing) with knowledge is that you have to be able to create something with it".
Are you learning stuff you can use and apply, or just spinning your wheels with "learning" that never gets road-tested? There's the truism that surgeons learn by "see one - do one - teach one." I hope this is an over-simplification, but still... if it's all in your brain, not used and never shared... did you really learn anything?
-- Derek
Exactly!
Oh, and I forgot to say ... welcome back! I follow your blog and had about given up...
Hi Derek! Thanks for the opportunity to send a question your way! I would really be interested in hearing your thoughts on the the future ( say the next 2 to 5 years ) of music distribution and the ways we as a culture will be buying and accessing this information? Do you see and big changes on the horizon? Thank for your time!
Best,
Craig
Wait! Sorry everyone, but please email me questions at derek@sivers.org - It's too hard to try to answer questions in these little comment-boxes. -- Derek
Derek,
What do you think are the most important steps one can take to realize one's full potential? If you had one year to totally transform your life for the better what would you read? What would you do? What would you change? I am interested in your thoughts on this topic. What are your thoughts on self-improvement? Thanks and keep up the awesome posts; I look forward to them!
Tony
its been a while never read a tread from you,you will always remind me of a guy who is goal is to share and help without the crap and marketing thing!!!
keep the good works
we love you derek
rick
If brains are sexy ( and they are ), well then you are the sexiest guy alive!
Welcome back,
Mish
What Craig Green asked up there in comment #6. :^)
Derek: In the Bible God says,
"Without knowledge the people perish." He is talking about His wisdom which can be understood only in seeking Him.
If you are seeking true wisdom, ask me, and I will send you enough material, advice, Bible knowledge, and proof to last you a life time. That is the only wisdom I put value on. Helen M Nanney
Is music to expensive?
Derek:
Interestingly, we have had similar thoughts recently ...
I think it might just mean that we have simply reached the bench set out by those before us somewhere halfway upon our path for us to use however we see fit ... to contemplate, to plan, to refocus, to rest, to recuperate, to relax for a slight moment to catch our breath, enjoy our accomplishments, and reflect on the toil of what we have been through, so that we may enjoy the rest of our journey.
Peace,
Be This Bell
In this day with the internet and the level of the public, are the musical arts more likely to prosper or to continue their downward spiral?
Thanks for keeping me in the loop. I missed it.
Can't wait to see the fruits of your labors here, as well as what lauryn b. (from Domino proj) hinted about. Am working on my post now, thanks for responding.
I think there is something about writing that causes one to explore what one knows, wrapping it in some context that relates the writer's frame reference at the time.
So many times we draw our frame narrowly. We don't reach out and explore that which is outside our immediate reach.
You've shared your reading list before. My question is this: how did it change your context? -c-
Brave man!
glad to hear you can write some again
I want too!
Maybe tomorrow I publish a draft I have over there.
Actually you are kind of motivating me, see?
o/
Thanks for your latest message. Since you are obviously busy, improving your mind and point of view, I think you'd like to know about a fairly new book called: TALENT IS OVERRATED (What really separates world-class performers from everybody else...) It's about something called "deliberate practice."
It's pretty amazing. I think you'll like it and want to pass this info on. Phil Klein
Derek,
1) What was the most impactful experience you had while traveling around the world this past year?
2) What is the most important thing you've learned about balancing independence and interdependence in a committed relationship via your new marriage?
3) How does one sort through the barrage of information to determine what is worthy of reading, comprehending and retaining? How to deflect info that creates diversions from our main purpose.
I'll think of more.
Missed being challenged by you.
PMH
What are the most important competencies?
Derek:
It would seem that I grew up with people around me who were much like Socrates! So, are we all fighting for air with our heads under water, with someone holding our heads under? The answer is yes! Now the key is, lets find those who would hold us under and kick their ass!
I believe that it's not about the seach for knowledge, but how to use the knowledge which we've aquired. Also to have the guts to admit we will always be learning, but we must believe that maybe, what we know is correct and follow through.
As you know, I am an idependent artist, and finally cracked the country spin charts and am at #71 and climing. We can't wait for someone to give us a chance, we must support our own move. Those who would make decisions often are so jaded that they too can't see the forest for the trees.
As always, your friend, Brad
Hello Derek,
Now you are really public person. What kind of world would you like to see in 10-20 years? Do you have a picture with details in mind, or any type of model? Please, if possible, without loud phrases about no wars, no hunger ...
Hi Derek,
Thank you for writing this. I really missed hearing from you. What's most important for me right now is playing music and asking myself how can I play the songs I'm playing better. It's a never ending process. It keeps me in the moment and feeling alive. Keep your posts coming,
Thanks
well, first of all...I think life is like vocal technique...to put it in short form: there are just a few states that must be balanced for a healthy production. And there is an underlying control, thru which there must occur a flow, and with an intention of going somewhere!
2nd...tech question. I gave a workshop today with a pianist and several students. I included a skype student. She heard everything well, but when she tried to sing with the pianist here, on her end the sound was cutting in and out. I believe that is an area that I want to delve into ASAP. Do you have any news about that kind of equipment/programs/mics I might need to do that well?
thanks! Nice to have you back!
This model for learning has always stuck with me since college (that was a while ago!) I am so glad you recognize its value!!! I find it very compelling!
My question "Is Music ultimately finite since there is an absolute finite number of notes, sounds and rhythms? (and therefore a finite combinations of notes, rhythms and sounds?) or is music infinite?"
please discuss
xoxo
Anne
It was Sun Tzu who said "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
It sound like you've reached a place where you have learned new ideas, and perhaps still figuring out some new strategies. One can't put strategies into action until one fully understands their meaning and application.
So. My question is: what are the new ideas and/or strategies you are learning/thinking about? And, if you are ready, what are some possible ideas for implementing them (Or, maybe you will write about the ideas and everyone here can give some ideas about how to implement.)
PS. Missed your posts. Glad you're back.
Hey good to hear you are still kicking around. Yah, learning and learning can get wearisome...Check out a quote from Ecclesiastes. Actually that would be a great read along with proverbs, some amazing stuff...someone really smart inspired it...
I alway like hearing what you have swishing around in your head...I'll have to think of some cool question... Thanks, Dawn
Ecclesiastes 12:12
12 And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh.
Your posts have been missed Derek. Welcome back to the interwebs.
My head is full, it may help to fob a question off to you. Now to pick which one...
Concerning the statement "I spend most of my time learning - reading, studying, and quizzing myself to retain what I've learned. But I've been neglecting the other most important part: using what I learn to create something useful", all i have to say is don't be so hard on yourself. After all if it wasn't for you, thater would be no "CD Baby". I can't wait for your next creation. because i know that that it will benefit all musicians of the world. That's how you are. Gods Bless.
Dr. Otto
it's already a gift to be addicted to learning. when you really get deep in to philosophy sometimes I feel it's even difficult to reply to the simpliest questions, it would take too much time and would overcomplicate reality and bring even to misunderstandings. Learn, know, and know how to use the knowledge, day by day, step by step, if possible without stress, in a natural way,really fascinating and challenging. all the best
The Old what is learning Query. It does indeed depend on who you talk to. Taoists had a view in direct ooposition to western Tradition but Im not prepared to say that they were wrong. My Father would have said That doing is the best teacher and thats true as far as it goes. An Acedemic would tell you to observe study and measure. Again this is true as far as it goes. Ideally you must do both these things and adjust both practical technique and Theory according to the results of combined learning. A lot of Logic and analysis are needed. Got it? Now your on the road. The road is endless (Thank God). The more you learn the more avenues it opens and the numbers of facets and possibilities ever increase. The problem is manifold; Being physical creatures our senses are faulty and the information is not direct but interpreted. Our rational facility is hampered by limited capacity and logic takes a back seat to a host of vices. Still with determined effort and a dedication to honest inquiry some very real and useful knowlege is within reach. We have all witnessed some amazing achievments within our lifetimes. Stiil it will mean absolutely nothing if we dont keep going forward and avoid blowing ourselves up or fail to get off this speck of dust we live on.
Cycling back into #2 again myself.
Curiously, I just started another round with Rails; watching my gems update right now and wondering why I have path errors today when I didn't yesterday.
@dawn - Proving, of course, that there is "nothing new under the sun" (Qoheleth. Of course).
1. How can religion ever truly be a positive force for humanity without encouraging questions and healthy dissent?
2. Music, love, hope and dreams seem like the only true magical catalysts left in this world. Can you name others?
3. How is history repeating itself in world events today?
4. Is technology a new life form?
5. Can you think of a realistic way to remove religious requirements from National politics in the USA?
6. If you were to suggest one act of kindness that would truly help the largest number of others, what would that be?
I'll take your comments off the air. ;)
I used to hate it when people would say to me...you will understand when you get older. I wanted to understand then!But, I have to say ...I see what you are going through as a stage of life thing..because I went through it. I went back to college in my thirties and was a sponge.... I wanted to learn everything from everyone.... But then (after working for awhile for government)..I realized nobody really has any idea that is all that grand...we are all swinging by the seat of our pants doing the best we can.... That is when I knew that wisdom is not "out there"...it is inside of me. That is when I began asking the world (in my case women in particular) what do you need?...how can I help you? what would make the world better from your perspective? How can I be of service to help make the world better? The women I asked gave me LOTS of ideas....many will be implemented in FemmeSpeak.com in the coming year...but www.pinklinkpages.com is a great example of the kind of work I will be doing. At some point you will stop looking for wisdom from others..and realize you already are everything you need to be to complete your mission while you are on the planet. I am not saying that others don't have good ideas..definitely listen and learn...but then use that to do what you were born to do! That is part of the midlife crisis stage that you will hot in your 40's...LOL! I understand that "acceptance" of my mortality is the next phase of life I have to look forward to according to those about ten years older than me...Oh Goody...LOL!
Hi Derek, good to hear from you.
Big question, what makes you happy?
Chuck
Possibly one does not know because there is no need. Is there ever any supply for that which has no demand? Create the need....
Had that crisis of confidence too. I keep imagining Burt Lancaster as he donned the tights for "Trapeze" the first time.... good at some things, not so hot for the Really Big One in this movie.
There's a fine line betwen hubris and self-confidence.The latter is based on preparation and practice; the former is arrogance and blind-spots to others' talents.
It's possible to be really, really good at something and not be a prat about it. Quiet genius is a wonderful thing to watch.
And as Howard Gardiner so nicely validated the idea that not everyone is good at the same thing, the real skill is to create and bind teams that can compensate for each member's shortcomings. Richard Branson's business is a great example of great team-selection.
Take up tai chi. A great awakening.....
CS
When are we gonna party, dude?
Isn't the assimilation of worldly knowledge an impediment to your real goal of spiritual growth?
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
if you are remembered in 200 years, what will people say about you?
I would focus less on worrying about knowledge and more on doing things that excite your passions. I believe that art is the
inspired use of skill-- a very broad definition-- but when in doubt simply throw yourself into something unfamiliar that sounds worthwhile and you will usually gain
some sort of useful, unintended knowledge.
In other words, I guess I disagree with Aristotle, that hack!
Just glad to hear from you and know you're doing good. That is good enough for me. Stay forever young.
Questions- What gives you the most joy out of life? And... what scares you the most? ( or causes the most stress- whichever) P.S. Welcome back, man. My sincerest apologies for that ridiculous thing I sent you the other day- I'm sure it made no sense at all.
Allow me a few lines to express how valuable I find your pontifications as well as the responses to your essays & questions. Nothing like a good kick start. There's no pretension or didacticism here. Just a running of it up the flag pole. Fortunately, it very often waves.
Hmm, seems to me you've been creating this whole time. Remember the thoughts that you share with us here are creating new view points of other people.
Creations aren't always something you can touch. Personally, I think the non-tangible creations that come from someone who has a "voice" as positive and provoking as yours, is far more valuable, than most tangible items. I think your love, and sometimes lust, of learning is being used whether you realize it or not.
However, I totally get how tangible items somehow seem like a stronger validation of our learning.
All I know is that if you had been talking about nothing but music and downloads and business practices etc... You would have lost my attention quite quickly, however, you have given me much more to work with by sharing your thoughts and opinions on your more intangible creations.
So there! ;)
If your answer to a question is questioned, should you question the question? Any answers? Any questions? Anyone there?
Want more?...
www.twitter.com/markpengilly
Derek,
I am excited to hear your thoughts. I have been keeping up on the thoughts that you do share. I have especially taken to your book list and have begun reading many of the books you recommend. I have also become a fiend for knowledge. I feel as though I have gotten a little stuck lately and I think that you know some things that could help me out.
Yes I have learned a lot in the past couple of years. My goal started out as 'starting a business'. Most of what I have been doing is learning. Sure I have started some parts of my project but actually doing has been a real struggle. While I do have time constraints (with a full time job and two small children), I really don't feel as though that is what is really stopping me. I too feel exceptionally aware of what I don't know and I constantly feel as though I don't know enough to do what I am wanting to do.
So, here is how I think you could help. I know you have accomplished a lot. I am sure you did not feel as though you knew what you were doing all the time in your projects but you did it anyway. My question is: How did you get through those times? Especially the starting point? The conventional wisdom seems to say "Just do it". Do you have any personal tricks for getting off of the starting line?
I want to become, and most of all, feel unstuck...
Thanks,
Tom Siegel
Ok, so here's a question to write about and try to wrap your head around.
What is it to "Create?"
Edgar Degas once said: "Painting is easy when you don’t know how… but very difficult when you do"[I think he was onto something]
All I can say is… thank God we didn’t KNOW we DIDN'T KNOW until we DID know… because we would have definitely given up by now if we had (((chuckles)))
I wrote about this on my blog back in March http://jeanburman.com/2011/03/12/in-the-process-new-video/
Sometimes it's better not to know. That way you're somehow braver... and more audacious. Knowing you don't know knocks the confidence spots off you... and doesn't get the work done and out there.
Like everything... there's a pro and a con in there somewhere! LOL
MY QUESTION IS:
How much more brave and resourceful would you be if you didn't know... that you didn't know?
[I'm guessing you might say "heaps"]
Great to hear from you Derek
Good to see you posting here again. We miss you.
I believe in the four steps you list, but there's a step 5, too, and that is, find something new to learn and repeat steps 1 through 4. Nobody is wholly competent at everything.... when we think we have learned all we can about something, it's time to move on. And I can't think of anyone's life who exemplifies that more than yours, sir.
Leland
author of Angelo's Journey, available at http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004RYW53U/ in both Kindle and paperback editions.
Derek,
You are forever reaching, forever finding balance and forever expanding..... and you're an excellent guide. Keep reaching and keep sharing, and definitely keep shining~
Welcome back to "the surface" Derek, and thank-you for not posting in Mandarin!
I'm certain I have both responses and questions, and maybe even a PDF file or two for you in due time, but much too unorganized to post at the moment.
Your goal is a simple one: be a child.
Hi Derek,
We have talked before, already. I'm working on putting to work our Coffee and Jazz Club "O Jazz & O Samba". I've got a Loan and a Funding line in order to put the project up. Obviously to build anything in Brasil is a lot more complicated than anywhere else. Mainly if talking about Jazz Instrumental Music. The project is available for reading at http://ojazzeosamba.blogspot.com , on top of page where it reads "Início"(Beginning). It's written in portuguese but as you mentioned you would like to come to Brasil it seems to be a good way of start practicing (lol). I do have thousands of questions for I know nothing. I'm decided to ask for help at SEBRAE (a non profit organization devoted to support small entrepreneurs)for Administration. We are a private business witn elements of Foundation. We admit partners with contribuitions through VAKINHA (it's a slang to define a group of people who donate a small amount of money- R$ 200,00, and we offer him periodical promotions such as tickets for concerts, etc...). Obviously, as I mentioned before, I will need your advice and support. Will keep in touch, Thanks.
What a pleasure to receive your email. Welcome back!
What is it that you want me to know about you?
Cheers.
step 3 only relates to Our Lord who is the only "conscious competence", He is perfection! Although He said Be Perfect as my Father is, Perfection is obtained by grace and submission and acknowledgement that only He can create and that all works including those of our hands are HIS! We must repent for thinking that we can do anything and that any work belongs to us. I believe that is required to be as He is, so that He will be in us as Our Father was in Him, so then will He be in us. This comes thru the right DESIRE and right humbleness of mind, the mind of Christ, a greater faith and a knowing without a doubt.
stage 4 "unconscious competence" perhaps this is when we are as a boat and the Holy Spirit as a sail, possessing us at last when we desire to OBEY God and His Commandments completing the race, for as stated in the Word it is to them that the Holy Spirit will fill thus possess. Thus, no longer us but He who dwells in us, truly living moving and having our being, we obey God instead of man even unto death. Obtaining a Love for God that is so great that nothing in this earth matters, only love, a Godly love even unto death. May the Lord Bless you indeed! Gloria
Zen master Socrates used water instead of a stick!
Glad you are back in the saddle.
We never attain "wisdom." It is like seeking God. We turn in that direction (metanioa).
One wise thing: love while you gaining competence. ;-)
Hi Derek
In 2010 I suffered my brain 'stroke' as is now 90% deaf/10% hear. !
In 6 - 18 months you aim 'hearing'again.
My send me prayers is Lord.
hugs
Henry
I like the part about drowning the student drowning. Still goes on today. Knowledge is bliss.
"When are we gonna party, dude?" ... that made me grin as I recognise the delight expressed by all that you're still about and as curious and sharing as ever.
Hooray for a new day.
I love learning! Learning is really what keeps us part of this world. There's always new stuff to learn.
Welcome back Derek.
Your legacy lives on at CD Baby, still the independent musician's best friend .
I sent you a Q in a separate note.
Be blessed,
Alexandra
I wouldn’t “try this at home” folks but I seem to learn best in an active and intuitive collaged together fashion in which I learn and act simultaneously. At first nothing seems to be produced but after a spell things start to distill and work themselves out in many odd and unexpected ways.
I’ll be thinking of questions…
I have learned a lot of applicable and quotable information from your blog. I appreciate your humility, but don't let that get in the way of the teaching and leading you have been gifted to do through your writing.
How is the bridge from expertise to greatness crossed?
http://www.psychology.csusb.edu/facultyStaff/KaufmanKaufman2007_ten_years_to_expertise_many_more_to_greatness.pdf
Read Faust again.
Very cool Derek. We can only absorb so much from studies. It is living together that I believe gives us a found truth.
WISDOM IS GOOD WITH AN INHERITANCE - BY IT THERE IS PROFIT TO THEM THAT SEE THE SUN - FOR WISDOM IS A DEFENSE & MONEY IS A DEFENSE BUT THE EXCELLENCY OF KNOWLEDGE IS THAT WISDOM GIVETH LIFE TO THEM THAT HAVE IT - WITH KNOWLEDGE COMES SORRY & IT MAKES NO MORE SENSE THEN CHASE'N DA WIND - KINDERGARDEN EXAMPLE - A LOVE 1 HAS CANCER - UNTIL U RECEIVE THIS KNOWLEDGE YOU CONTINUE WITH UR PARTICIPATION IN VANITY OR DAILY FUNCTIONS OF LIFE - AS SOON AS U ARE REVEALED THAT UR LOVE 1 HAS CANCER & DEATH WILL SOON COME KNOCK AT THERE DOOR - WITH THIS KNOWLEDGE COMES SORROW - IF YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE YOU OVERSTAND THAT THERE IS A GREAT EVIL HERE ON EARTH - THE SCORPION STING KNOWN AS DEATH - IN SIMPLICITY YOU NO DEATH COMES & KNOCKS ON ALL MENS DOOR - SO LIKE A MOUSE IN A MAZE OR A RAT RACE - YOU TRY 2 BE AS PRODUCTIVE AS YOU KAN HERE ON EARTH HOPEING ITS NOT ALL IN VAIN - PRAYING THAT YOUR BELIEFS ARE LIKE GOLD SET IN SILVER & 1 DAY YOU WILL EITHER TURN OFF LIKE A LIGHT SWITCH OR ENTER INTO THE UTOPIA OF LOVE - KNOWLEDGE IS A BURDEN - FOR U SEE THE HYPOCRISY OF MAN & OVERSTAND EVERYBODY'S GOD HERE ON EARTH IS MONEY - ITS LIKE OXYGEN - YOU KANT BREATHE WITHOUT IT - IS THE ATHEIST OR CHRISTIAN HAPPY WIN THEIR HOMELESS OR ARE THEY HAPPY WIN THEY KAN GIVE UNTO CAESAR WHAT IS CAESAR'S OR SIMPLY PAY BILLS - BE FREE FROM ECONOMIC BURDEN - IS THE ROOT OF HAPPINESS MONEY - OR IS THE ROOT OF HAPPINESS LOVE - FOR SOME ARE PREDESTINED TO BE POOR WHILE OTHERS RICH - SOMEWHERE SOMETHING WENT WRONG - SOMETHING IN THE MILK AINT CLEAN - I READ A COMMENT YESTERDAY CONCERNING A 13 YEAR OLD CAUCASIAN BOY WHO TRIED TO BUNT THE BALL BUT WAS HIT IN THE CHEST BY THE PITCHER AND DIED HOURS LATER - AN OLDER CAUCASIAN MALE IN HIS LATE 50 OR EARLY 60 REPLIED IN THE COMMENT BLOG SECTION THAT YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO DUCK - CAIN KILLED ABEL - COLOR HAS NOTHING TO DEW WITH ANYTHING - BUT WHAT GREATLY VEXED I WAS THAT 30 PERCENT OF THE COMMENTS WERE FROM PEOPLE WHO HAD HEARTS OF STONE - WHO OVERSTAND NO PITY - CHARITY - OR MERCY - KINDNESS IS AN ILLUSION TO THEM WHO NEVER EITHER CONTEMPLATE THE PURSUIT - FOR KNOWLEDGE TRULY IS PURSUED BUT NEVER OBTAINED FOR IT IS TO MUCH FOR MAN TO BARE - KING SOLOMON SAY'S OUT OF A 1000 MEN 1 IS GOOD - HE SEARCHED BUT CUD NOT FIND A GOOD WOMEN - MISS INTERPRET NOT 4 HERE ON EARTH THERE ARE VIRTUOUS WOMEN - I TRULY BELIEVE 50% OF THE WORLD IS SATANIC & 50% HOLY - FOR THE HEAVENS HAS AN OBSCURE BALANCEING SCALE - OUNCE THAT SCALE STARTS 2 TIP TOAWRDS SATANIC - I JUST PRAY THE WORMS ARE I BED & THE MAGGOTS I PILLOW - FOR I HATE HORROR MOVIES BUT I OVERSTAND THAT 1 DAY LIFE HERE ON EARTH WILL BE NO DIFFERENT THEN WATCH'N UR MOST HORRIFIC HORROR MOVIE - FANTASY BROUGHT 2 REALITY - I OFTEN REASONED WHICH IS BETTER THE WISE OR FOOL - FOR THE FOOL ALWAYS SEEMS HAPPY - FRETS NOT IF THEY HAVE PLENTY OR LITTLE TO EAT - RICH OR PORR - ETC - BUT THEY ALWAYS SEEM HAPPY - BUT THE FOOL IS MORE APT TO JUMP IN THE LAKE FILLED WITH PARANIAHS - WHILE THE WISE SIT BACK & SAY MAYBE BEING FOOLISHISH IS NOT THAT GOOD AFTER ALL - SO BY ALL MEANS SEEK & SEARCH FOR KNOWLEDGE - IT WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE OR DEATH - FOR FOOLS DIE FROM LACK OF KNOWLEDGE - STAY SWEET LIKE HONEY - BIG UPS - MUCH LOVE - http://www.myspace.com/percywillinghamiii
Sorry about this question Derek, it's not an easy one to answer and I don't really expect one but it's been on my mind the past few days.
Is the human species at a stage where we are evolving from a reality in the past centuries where we were by necessity, very much in touch (understanding seasons), reliant on (growing crops to survive) and affected by (savage weather), the revolving nature of our planet into developing a separate consciousness or reality within our minds caused by the interaction we now have with various modern technologies - (virtual worlds in cyberspace), that seem to separate us from our outside environment/reality?
Hi Derek, Glad to see you back!
Do you ever think about how you can top CD Baby or not living up to CD Baby's success with the second creative invention? I go through this as I'm working on my second album, and I know its great, however I still get jitters as my release date is getting closer.
Thanks!
Andrea
The book Brain Rules(and web site) would be a good stop for you.
The amount that we are consciously aware of is .043%. The source is the book, The Visual Miscellaneum by David McCandless. There is a great graph of sensory input in this book that supports what the book, Brain Rules, states.
Learning is good.
Hi Derek,
Life is short; you don't have time to learn everything. Who really cares about the "stages of learning" (sounds like an academic analysis). Focus on things you are passionate about. So my question is this, why did you waste a year of your life in pursuit of these lofty goals, are you trying to start a new religion?
Welcome back!
Glad you took time to regroup and ponder.
According to Martin Seligman in his book Authentic Happiness, the pursuit of gratifications, not pleasures, makes us happy, and gratifications take work and talent and dedication. I really appreciate your works and thoughts, and how you stimulate others to contribute their perspective!
there is no need to learn anything. its all there already. Stay in the present and don't let anything allow the moment to be blurred.
And meditating helps.
So glad to see you posting again!
A few questions that I hope get you to write more: What motivates you to keep creating at this point in your life/career/journey, etc? Are your motivations different than 5, 10, 15 years ago? If so, how and why? Are there any motivations that have remained consistent over time?
Thanks Derek for this post, i will be mailing you my questions on how i can best take over the world without stealing it from anybody.
But i had to leave this comment for some of the nicest people in the world to get to check out my recordings *From Another Morning*
long time.. . but you still smart person....
Well, long time I am out of internet, visiting hospitals to find the right medicine.
Derek,
Great to see you back in the saddle again.
I see a parallel to the 4 stages in music:
- You don't know your music doesn't cut it (or you think it's good).
- You realize it needs improvement, so you study and practice...over and over again...
- You realize that you can finally create something good, but you're thinking about every move.
- You don't need to think about it - it just flows and it’s almost telepathic. This is when you're playing in the moment and you're not thinking about tunes you’ve learned, theory, scales or trying to play like someone else...you're there...and making an original statement.
Now, for learning in general...I think you can only go so far by yourself...reading, practicing what you've learned, and testing yourself. You need to interact with others...especially experts in the field, whether it's music or physics. You didn't say what the topic(s) are.
Use the knowledge, after you've synthesized it, and create something new.
As for questions:
- What will be the ultimate affect of global access to "knowledge" if we can't be sure of it's source, depth, and validity? I love the Internet's vast content (and the Web's ease of access), but it's like a ocean that's getting bigger all the time, but not easier to assimilate, let alone filter out what's not worth wasting time on.
Someday, a person will spend their whole live only on the Internet...will that be a live worth living?
Ciao!
Francesco - The Jazz Whistler
I think achieving #3 & #4 would have to be some god-like powers to acquire that level. And #2 can lead you back to #1 if you try too hard to understand #2. A fine line between sanity and insanity.
You're in search of your next big passion Derek and it hasn't manifested itself yet. I'm impressed by your search for learning, but sometimes the tasting and savoring of life is all that's needed. I'm a bit zen tonight. Sorry . . .
Heya Derek !
Here are a couple questions I'd really like to have your take on.
1 - What is the one thing this world needs ? My answer: A better solution to the concept of economy, and a new sense of respect towards life.
2 - If I currently am becoming conscious of the inertia of the world and start using that as a vector and catalyst for my own creation and work, which of your stages am I currently in ?
3 - I think creativity has stages. Sometimes, you'll go through a replenishing period, other times, you'll go through a very production, concrete period...All is necessary, each task to its time ? Or priorities and agenda first ?
4 - "When you walk with confidence, the road paves itself along the way."
Yea as always great for mind thought - We seem to keep questioning what and why we do things. I have been told only today I am not focused on what and where I want to be. They say I wont get spiritual guidence running around with my head chopped off. However right at this moment I am enjoying where I am. Sure I know I will have to put my learning into practise but I believe opertunities will arrive and open when the time is right. Its great to be relaxed and still in the learning faze for me....
Here's a question:
-- Derek
Does it really tick you off when everyone insists on asking questions as comments rather than in an email like you asked? ;-)
It's my fault.
Glad to see another post from you. I'm always learning new tech now that I'm A+ certified and going for Network+. I want to understand so much complex stuff all at once but then my head explodes until the next study session...
Question: How do we get through to people that technology is just a tool but not a substitute for human warmth, interaction and affection?
On Second Thought ...... Some of these people have a point; Who needs all that book Learn'n and stuff. Keep it in the here and now. Yeah you know keep'n it real..
Real Dumb! Yeah you know those toasters and TV's be fallin out the sky anyway and milk and honey comes from the wishing well. Yep Mans first big mistake was leaving those caves and damn that Simian who picked up a bone!
OMG what if you suffer from all four of those?
...I've always loved the late Luciano Pavarotti's description of himself when he was "starting" to be recognized as the worlds greatest tenor...he called himself "the eternal student." Forget about "learning it all," it's most likely not possible AND I've read from people who've had NDE's and come back to tell about it, the learning continues on the other side...
Glad to read your words again, Derek. I find that when I try to define myself I am at once out of myself and the present moment..I am judging, which leads to a place outside of the present moment. To be in the moment without judgment, is what Krishnamurti dedicated his life to bring to the attention of people. I am continuing to watch and try to get out of my way. When I do this,it seems that intuition flows through me like a healing river that takes the debris and brings the fertile soil right to my door.
You are seriously one of the coolest people I know
Being willing to learn is a beautiful place to be and I thank you Derek and all of your guest for being here and willing to learn. Backing ourselves and one another is a great starting place to build toward unconscious competence.
My question: How can people learn to live in integrity with themselves and one another, how can proper relating be taught and learned?
Derek: I agree with you; it is easy to go on consuming new materials, but creating is difficult part. I have framed myself a three stage learning model - consume, create and engage and this has helped me so far well.
(where I blogged about it: http://goo.gl/9CV4P)
You have been highly inspiring so far and now have come closer home (I live in India). Hope to meet you some day.
Joseph
I'm selfish, how to promote myself on a local level effectively, solo and guitar lessons. I'm a good artist but poor on effective self promotion.\?
A rich man may spend his entire life amassing more riches and for what purpose, for, in the end, he is dead; another may toil and for what purpose, for, in the end, he is dead. The fool sees them both, says why should I do either, since, in the end, they are dead and, even that, for what purpose? In the end the fool is dead, as well. Wisdom is finding the joy of what you are doing it -- while you are doing it.
Wisdom is also not about knowing more, but knowing more about what you do know.
Jared beat me to it. I was going to ask: How do you feel about all of us idiots who can't understand your request not to post questions here?
Seriously, welcome back. We've missed your posts.
Really guys... Can't you understand ? Send your questions to Derek's email address ! Don't do it here... You're gonna spook him away !
Those four stages seem to correspond to:
-- Derek
He who knows not and knows not he knows not: he is a fool - shun him. He who knows not and knows he knows not: he is simple - teach him. He who knows and knows not he knows: he is asleep - wake him. He who knows and knows he knows: he is wise - follow him.
Good one! Love it.
Are there limits to questions? How many answers are there to one question? Who is the questioner? Will there ever be an end to learning? What happens to the conclusions we draw from our quest for knowledge? Are we ever satisfied with the answers?
Thanks for sending new blog article.
Greetings to you and your family.
Hi Derek,
Wow! I really enjoyed your article.
Regarding the story of Socrates, I take the story literally
According to the famous Japanese inventor, Dr Nakamats, lack of oxygen is good for brain. He invented floppy disks, Karaoke, digital display, jumping shoes etc and he all came up with these great ideas under water when swimming. He said inspiration comes 0.5 seconds before death. Maybe Socrates and his student were using this technique!
It makes my laugh everytime I watch this video.
http://youtu.be/jFxNGvTP99E
Stage five, never follow anyone. We all have to make our own way in a life where there are no ultimate answers, only ways of being.
Hi Derek,I think there's something to be learned from everyone, genius or fool.Listen more and judge less.
Pete
Hi Derek,
I can sympathise with you on this one. As someone who had pretty much everything it was taken from me in illness. A very long battle to recover to a stage where I could contribute to the world again. I feel all the reading, self development ideas I have done in the past seem not to equate with how people are in the world. The fear out there is staggering. We need to adapt to new thinking. All the learning in the world is in- effective if not put into some practical use.
Glad to hear from you Derek,
What has marriage done for learning ?
Leaving New York ? I've been listening to Don Miguel Ruiz and Deepak Chopra. Very impactful words. I've also been reading voraciously.
Best as always.
Hi Derek !
I'd like to hear about your travel adventures : learning new cultures, new languages, new social skills
new music ?
Hugs,
Caroline
There's learning, and there's understanding.
More of the latter!
In some ways I hear you wanting to consume knowledge, to have your way with it, but Socrates knew he knew nothing, ultimately.
It's more about a process than a destination.
Great journey you are on, Derek. Wish we were all on the trip with you ...
Jim
Hi Derek,
It's good to know your back. I too have gone off the grid while searching for a cure for my common law wife's illness. AUTONOMIC DYSFUNCTION / DYSAUTONOMIA. For the past year I've taken Victoria "my common law wife" to over 50 medical specialists in 18 different states. Not one of them knew what to do to help her, some of the doctors have heard of AUTONOMIC DYSFUNCTION / DYSAUTONOMIA, but nothing more then hearing of it. We're now in Central California where I found a Homeopathic Doctor who does in fact know about AUTONOMIC DYSFUNCTION / DYSAUTONOMIA. She's now on a Remedy that seems to be helping. I'll write to you more at:
derek@sivers.org
Glad you're back bro.
Mark Johnson
Thanks Derek - brief but competently shared. Loved the Socrates story!
I think that unconscious incompetence is, unfortunately, all too common and damaging. But I also venture that we are each a mix of incompetence and (some degree of) competence in some area. Wisdom is often knowing the scope of our INcompetence.
Competence is typically more likely in a group than in an individual.I believe Wittgenstein once said, "I do not know what I do not know."
Thanks, Derek for a humble post.
Since I think you're very smart yet still feel unsatisfied, I think this has to do with the areas at which you aim to be competent. Nobody can be competent at so many fields so if we set the goal too big, we're likely to be overwhelmed.
Now, the dilemma: how big is too big a goal?
Again, thanks for a nice post and a valuable option for asking a question.
Great to have you back yaar. No questions yet ;-)
Great to see you are going to be writing again Derek .. missed your posts .. will put my thinking cap on ... cheers Meaghan
The highest stage of wisdom is to know how much we don't know ;-)
Great post!
ps 'incompetency' is not really a word i would use to describe you ......
Learning ? Learning what ? Why ? Just learning for it's own sake ? That's fine, but all the time your life is getting frittered away. Fuck with the learning, Derek. Addicted to learning ? Seek help, it's an addiction like any other.
Dear Derek:
To keep everything in (what I believe to be) the best perspective, I weigh all thought and action according to the following:
1) Is what I am thinking and doing helping to clean up the air and water -- so that we all do not die gasping for clean air, as we we read a book, or listen to a CD?
2) Am I adding to the collective body of knowledge that ultimately belongs to us all?
3) Have I in any way helped anyone (including myself) to feed, clothe and shelter himself or herself -- along with a spouse and children?
4) Is God proud of what I am doing, and tickled pink at my motivation?
5) To paraphrase a line from the Bible:
"What would it profit me to gain all of the money and fame in the world, if my spouse and children do not love, respect, and admire me? The answer is, Nothing!
Great to see you back Derek and looking forward to more of your wisdom.
Hah, some of the replies posted here reminds me of an exam I once took at school.
It said - 1)read all instructions carefully, 2 -6) whatever those instruction were (I don't remember now) and 7) answer questions 1 & 2 only!
Ten minutes later only 3 guys weren't writing furiously(happily I was one of them).
Derek clearly wrote - (Yes it has to be by email. I can't answer big questions inside a little comment-box here. Email me.)
Derek, great to have you back. Your Email reminds me of a quote from Bertolt Brecht: " The main thing is to learn how to think crudely. Crude thinking is the thinking of the great".
I used to work with Jean Hoerni , founder of Teledyne Fairchild Semiconductor,Telmos>failed start-up..His Boss Pierre LaMonde SMTS National Semiconductor maintained that for anyone to walk through the Fabrication Facility they needed to have a Doctorate in Device Physics,Dhemistry,or E.E.
Do You agree?
Would a good door into knowledge and creativity be the pathway of creative process? Much like when you created CDBaby, you started with some knowledge of creating a website for musicians to Market CD's as if in a vast Music store. Along the way you had hurdles and problems to conquer and found solutions and most of all had some beginning of a vision that probably took on some transformations as you found new ways to utilize your knowledge. Is knowledge itself a constant expansion of conscience? similar to Transcendental Meditation.
Yeaaa !!!!
Houston
We have lift off !
I think the most dangerous learning states are #3 and #1...tread carefully.
My question: What is the right balance between education and creation for you?
Thanks.
Kool post Derek....
Makes one think.
To see if one is really thinking...
My experience has been that everyone gets all the knowledge they can physically and spiritually handle, sought or not. No one knows anything shareable, real knowledge is too personal. Attempt to give it away, and it its seigned through self and looses clarity. Hence those who know cannot say and those who say cannot know. Budda said that....what was he trying to say?
I am going through a very similar experience. Except mine has been over the past year and a half. So, I posted a blog recently to try and sum up most of what's been going on. However, words cannot deliver what the experience has been really.
http://notforthefaintheartreally.blogspot.com/
Listening...
Hi Derek, You are quite a wise person and an example to many. Of course, many of your articles have been a blessing to me and many others too. When i read you and the many replies this time, I thought you may try out this person called Jesus who's an embodiment of all wisdom. The best learning comes via knowing this prsonality. May you read, if you don't mind, and I don't think it's too long, the excerpt of the book of Corinthians which reads:
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.
Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him. It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. Therefore, as it is written: “Let him who boasts boast in the Lord.” (1 corinthians 1v18-31)
We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. No, we speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment:
“For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2v6-16).
Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life (2 Corinthians 3v4-6)
Stay blessed Derek
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Wow Derek good to hear from you!Comments as follows;Stating that"They say",regarding stages of learning,is not good.Listing competence into those four stages is perceptional at best. For example"stage 3" can be more dangerous Than "stage 1". What one gets from the Socrates parable can also be dangerous. The Eastern Sages said just about the opposite to that.The world war 2 "Desert Fox" said "some one who is industrious and stupid is dangerous". We sure don't need some one with dangerous characteristics working that hard.Instead of all that, we have learned that the most important thing to do is to understand ourselves, weaknesses, strengths,likes and dislikes.We must develop awareness to understand those things in people who touch our lives as well. Education and experience should be used to learn these things. We won the lottery to get here. Who and what we are is determined in the womb and if you question this, ask yourself these questions; Did you pick the time,place,Country,of your arrival in the womb? Did you pick your parents? With your little hands and mind did you pluck the RNA,DNA and genomes and stuff them into your body? Because, all of that determines where you fall in the random distribution curves of IQ,industry,determination, personality, health issues, beauty etc.. All these thing by far mostly determine who you are. Timing and luck mostly determines what all that culminates into.Too much study before we get busy is wasting our most precious resource, TIME!
Island Frank
Derek, I find it useful to inquire within as opposed to seeking outside for wisdom. As one learns to become in touch with their soul & to follow their heart, one can begin to touch wisdom. Thank you again for such an excellent blog post.
People who passionately desire knowledge are the only people moving forward.
I have been reading and studying, spiritual books for many years. and the trick is, to find a place without thaught, I have experianced,it only one time,and words can,t express the Bliss,
Sit back and watch how your mind is bombarded with thaughts,I am not that smart so , its not that bad for me , but some one like you it must be a real trip, in a good way thuough, so are thinking to much?
Hi Derek,
Good to hear from you again. I find it interesting that so many people follow you and are interested in what you have to say... as a seeker, I suppose you will ponder that relationship as well. I suppose you are fascinating because it seems so few people seek inward these days as our society is built on seeking the material and very little else.
I read these replies from most of the people in reponse to your blog about questions. Presumably, they are all or were independant musician/artists which is how this online relationship with you began. Many of them seem to want to make the world a better place. My question is, Is it possible for an artist to forgo his art to focus on making the world a better place? Would Mozart have created his music if he was worrying about the poor? Would Picaso have painted if he was concerned about the world condition? If he was,maybe he would have said, I should do something more pratical and worthwhile than creating this painting or this piece of music.
Hi Derek ...
Another great post on your part. I have shared your thoughts with my nearly 22 year old son. I am hopeful he will benefit greatly from all that you've posted here.
For me, learning becomes growth. And to promote further growth, one must share what one has already learned. Your request for questions reflects your desire to learn, share, and grow even more. I applaud you, yes !!!
~ Dennis
1 what do you believe that you cannot prove?
2. What is YOUR life's mission
3. How do you find peace of mind?
Best wishes
Hey DEREK!!
GOOD to hear from you !!
True.
Wisdom can't be bought....
Rachel
learning is living..or is it vice versa ?
It seems you looking for wisdom well I didn't have time to read all the posts but I was wondering have you asked God for Wisdom ?
The Bible says in James 1 verse 5-7 if you ask got and don't doubt you will get it.
As I've said to you before, I start the day telling myself "I know nothing." (No.2). I move on from there, though with a lot of No. 1 on the way. These days, I sometimes end up with a lot of No.4 somehow. My old composition teacher Darius Milhaud advised all his students to load all the info possible about what notes can do and then forget it all and go to work. So far, so good! Good to hear from you again! Hm... a question: at what point do we achieve contentment and satisfaction? And how? All the best, jpt
Have you ever thought that we are all Infinite Beings, and that if you simply connect to your own Infinity, that you will know what you need to every moment, and that all knowledge can come to you by simply "tuning in"? Perhaps you can reach a place where you are no longer "doing" but you are "Being" - -where you no longer feel the overwhelming need for more and more. . .
Infinite are the ways to learn !!!! Someone's think that is good to school, others only make observations the life... You need discovery your self way.
Bravo.
Great blog. Emailing.
Best,
~ stefan
Keep on 'downloading' knowledge, Derek! Even by this very post (with the intentions behind it), you bring more and more intelligence to yourself and into the world. This is part of the creative process. Ahhh....It's a good life!
Hi Derek,
Thanks for sharing about those four stages. I too am in a new stage of awareness of and am deeply humbled by what I don't know. I now count myself blessed that each day is an opportunity to learn something new. Wow, each day is a gift, isn't it?
I have been reading a book by Jill Taylor, a brain scientist who recounts her recovery from a massive stroke. It's called "A Stroke of Insight". Her story left me with profound respect for the brain and all its abilities, especially with regard to learning, developing, and programming.
I think the greatest gift you can give is to take whatever positive insights you get from your learning and pay it forward, whether it be your blog, or in conversations with people.
I think (being clearly in phase #2) that
Learning = Growth = Positive Energy = The Betterment of Us All
Kelly
Really glad to hear from you...
Just remember... There are NO Stupid Questions...
>;)~
Thanks Derek for keeping in touch, there's a bunch of comments, i don't want you to follow helen's advice about the Bible, is a history book, and what she call God, was the ancient aliens visiting and colonizing earth, the Bible is very misunderstood, this won't solve your problems, but as a comment I've been studying a lot about this matter, I just want to know where we came from, how humans were created, but then I stumble upon this question?, is all this info-knowledge useful at all?, well I'm trying to understand myself, sao whatever it trakes, jaja
Peace
Hey Derek
Good to have you back.I'm sure I have questions just thinking of the right one
John
It is a great and well-known parable. Thank you for reminding about it. Sometimes I truly wish to be so desperate for that breath of knowledge that no ugly thought or image could enter my mind. It is a big achievement to achieve that state of true anxiety for knowledge. There is another story about Socrates. Once one of his student told him that he was so wise and how he, Socrates, always so wisely finds answers to questions. In response to that Socrates drew a small circle on the sand and then a bigger one around that small circle. Then he said: 'The small circle is how much you know, the big circle is how much I know. The space between the small circle and the big circle is how much you don't know, and everything beyond the big circle is how much I do not know. I am not that wise. I have much more to learn than you do'. Just wanted to add this one to yours, Derek. I guess the more we learn the more we have to learn. Thank you. Great post. I will think about a question for you. Max
Dear Derek:
I love this post because I have just begun learning to play the fiddle, which has always been my favorite instrument but I had never felt worthy enough to attempt to play it until a very generous person just handed me a sweet old fiddle as a gift! And I have been so joyfully going after it! There is something so magical about transcending from conscious to unconscious. I have been calling it the "trusting zone" - I close my eyes get lost in it... As alway, thanks for your inspiration!
-Laurie
Too often we want to get wisdom and not Know Wisdom. It is not uncommon for the *overflowing head to reach for it's OWN heart* for Beings with good intentions.
I look forward to how you *paint love* on your Blank Canvas.
"The Little Princess"
P.S. It can appear overwhelming, but your destiny is not beyond what you can do with joy & peace; inner restful absurd contentment (not saying I be all there yet, smile!). You are doing soo well, stay Blessed!
As a fiddle player for many years, many people have regarded me as a fool. Others have regarded me as someone who likes to have fun. Some have thought that I have wasted my time and "fiddled my life away". (it's one of my CDs) A few have actually thought, "here is a guy who actually loves what he does, he can make children and old people and even teenagers laugh
and many times want to get up and dance". However I have also been a "serious" composer. I am an avid reader and continue to search for meaning in real life. I don't question why I play the fiddle anymore, but I do question almost everything else in life. In the end, I think that the best wisdom is shown when someone who is wise can help somebody else when they really need it. Some people don't even know when they need it. When I play the fiddle my trouble and pain go away and I just see happy kids and families who just want to have some fun and be Free for a few moments.
Bill Thurman
Sometimes NOT asking questions, just sitting in a state of willingess to receive answers a few minutes each day, gives you more answers, grounding, peace, connection to everything (including connecting dots of your current knowledge) than you can imagine. I'm guessing you already do some of that already. Welcome back .... missed ya.
Serina
(I guess pink's not so bad after all)
Great hearing from you again! I always find something of value from what you post.
Do you value unique human experiences as much as wisdom?
That's the strange thing about knowledge. The more you learn the more you realize you've only scratched the surface.
Hi Derek,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.I couldn't help to ask myself the same qestion,but I think all 4 category that you mentioned in the blog apply to me depends on what questions I am being asked. I have not tried to get ALL my knowledge on EVERYTHING to category 4 so far but still ok with it.
Best regards,
Your sincere friend
Gongqian yang
Interesting Derek as I was having similar reflections with friends recently. My wife is studying Feng Shui under an Asian master and cannot see herself transitioning from Student to practitioner. The oxymoron is that a practitioner is constantly practicing their art, the most common (or accepted) form of this is that doctors "practice" medicine.
Yo Derek. I read Mystical Mentor by Dick Warn
-- Derek
it was good. I just finished Tao Te Ching translated by Stephen Mitchell, excellent! Whats your favorite book bro?
these
I do karate. Around the time I got my black belt, I found out how little I knew. I reached a summit only to look up and see a bigger one in front of me. We never really arrive... And hallelujah for that.
I am grateful to your intellect. I have to learn a lot of things from you.
Perhaps it's good to remind oneself every now and again when going through a "dark night" that stars were born out of the darkness. So does the dawn follow midnight, cycle after cycle. Be patient with the process. It always turns around.
"Too much energy is spent developing the mind instead of the heart. Develop the heart." His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
Sometimes if I relax and look at something- without trying to- some piece of information about the object or situation appears to "seep in" if I am passively openly observing...Availing myself to something outside of myself helps for this condition to arise.
Derek, if you were level 4, wouldnt that make you God? ;) You're gonna figure out your next move soon enough, the mere fact that you ask the questions inspire all of us
Thx, I´ll email you a question I have.
Reminds me of a quote of a song from my fave movie all time, "Yentl":
The more I live, the more I learn.
The more I learn, the more I realize the less I know
(written by M. Legrand / A. & M Bergman, sung by B. Streisand)
If I come up with a question for you I'll let you know, for sure.
Thanks, Welcome back, looking to hear more from you master.
Sophistry aside, why post utter nonsense and ask for more in return?
"They say, if wishes were pigs there'd be no bacon"
There is a quote credited to Mick Jagger, "To much postulating on the bog is not good for ones health"
After 25 years building prototypes I found out that the saying, "an expert is a person that's already made all the mistakes" is so true. At some point you have to get out and actually do something. And if it's new there is a good chance you'll make some mistakes. It's called learning.
Hi Derek -
The mere fact that you desire wisdom means you are more wise than you know...
Thanks for remembering us! It is great to hear from you.
My question is: Why didn't people read everything in your blog, resulting in them posting questions here, instead of e-mailing you?
stage 2 is a pretty good state,
you're in evolution
stage 3 can get you into trouble.
stage 4 you're making it look too
easy.
only kidding..
I believe it's possible that it's not about how much we know, it's just about allowing the learning to happen.
Dino
Yes - the 4 stages of learning - knowing this and being able to place yourself with regard to a skill can be helpful when you feel frustrated or overwhelmed.
What I've seen with my clients as they go through learning new skills in their music business is that they often mistake a compilation of skills for a single skill (e.g. time management which includes a lot of different skills).
And so, what happens really, is that they get to level 3 in one aspect of the skill and then have to bounce back to level 2 to learn the next aspect, because it's not until you have gotten to level 3 in all of the aspects of a complex skill that you can begin to move into level 4 in that overall skill area.
And so, it often feels like you keep coming up against conscious incompetence, but it's really that you've got one aspect under your belt and have to build the next one. And that next skill becomes glaringly obviously missing in order to move forward (i.e. conscious incompetence).
Hope that helps with the overwhelm, Derek - and you know you can call me anytime for support, my friend.
Hi, I have been reading all the inspired comments above. How are you going to assimilate them all? That's a useful question isn't it? Welcome back.
I now see I am not the only one that found your web-site and thoughts interesting. Still have not gone through all your book summarys
Here's a question. What have I done lately with the things I have learned?
Life is full of Rebounds.
My life has been taken up.... and dropped. The question is how many times I bounced before I was grabbed again... Taken to the top...and dropped.
This last time I did not bounce. I landed with both feet in balance. I do what I want, and live life without the stress of expectations.
I must say, it looks good on me. I don't need to know it all. I am not in competition with anyone. I am not hoping for things, or wishing upon a star. I enjoy life as it is... and my family to share it with.
Best wishes to you,
Michael
P.S. I'm sure you will get plenty of questions to occupy your time.
Great blog, thank you for sharing!
Isn't it fantastic that we have an opportunity to learn every day!?
I find that it is also very easy to be distractedly blinded and not see the true things we can learn. That's when hindsight and insight become buddies
Keep learning, keep sharing! CL
I prefer accidental enlightenment because intent to gain wisdom or knowledge can be a hinderance to discovery outside of preferences, as well as motivation to boast of one's prowess and intellect.
All I want to get better at is recognizing opportunities to experiment, and finding insight and 'knowledge' by chance as I wander through my blissful ignorance. Everything I 'know' is familiar and worthless, everything I don't 'know' is why the rest of the people are in this world.
I have too many questions I would ask you, so I'll refrain at this moment. I'm sure you'll get enough 'emailed' questions from others to keep you busy. When you want to let go of the desire for knowledge or wisdom, I'll be here to introduce you to the lifestyle of accidentally stumbling upon the truths that there is no such thing as knowledge or wisdom. At least not as I think you are describing them.
You are well loved, well respected, well fed and well rested. Find complete fulfillment in those realities, skip all the other ego-based distractions.
The best bliss can be seen in the faces of children playing, cats chasing balls of string, dogs chasing their tail and people chasing their whims. None of these blissful states require great wisdom or knowledge - but all require letting go of time. A thousand years of learning and our race knows less now than ever before. Too much working, not enough playing.
Fantastic post Derek. Its very easy to get overwhelmed when you spend most of your time learning - reading & studying. And to end up neglecting the other most important part: using what we learn to create something useful. But I believe these are indeed all stages.
Looking forward to the next post.
L x
Dear Derek, I love things that you create an share with us. I think we should accept all that time we have to pass in reading, learning, studying. Creativity needs to be nurtured by doing all those activities... and...nobody is able to be in the top of creation ALL the time, there are cycles, up and down and it is OK. God bless you and your ideas.
I put my hat off, Derek. I agree with you. Grateful because we can give, we do it.
Derek! I was so pleased to find your note in my inbox. Wow! I hear ya about where you are at...mostly my disappearances just last for a week stretch cuz I can't stand not knowing what is going on online
Thinkin' on a question, just might send it your way. Take care and hey, great to have ya back!
I've missed your blog posts, but I thought you were honey mooning! Seeking wisdom is an okay reason for absence too I suppose....
At the End of The Day (or at Death), What is it that you're tryin to accomplish or be known for??
You dropped those 4 stages of learning like nothing. Geez! It took me a bit to really digest them.
You are number 4 though, sorry to drop it on you. Or perhaps you are number 4 to me, but number 2 to the people you admire.... Interesting.
As for questions, I will be thinking about this. I've found your writings to be so valuable though because you are relevant. Regardless of the topic of issue, you are relevant. That's rare these days.
Hi Derek,
after thinking and feeling about conscious incompetent and wisdom;
here one of my favourites:
T.S. Eliot
I said to my soul, be still, and wait without hope
For hope would be hope for the wrong thing; wait without love
For love would be love for the wrong thing; there is yet faith
But the faith and the love and the hope are all in the waiting.
Wait without thought, for you are not ready for thought:
So the darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.
you've got "the beginner's mind" derek
you're a buddha
Derek,
I'm glad you're back writing again and inspiring us to think more deeply.
Welcome back, Me gusto lo que escribiste, aprendi algo nuevo.
Derek.
while i homeschooled my seven children i took the opportunity to observe "learning". what i discovered is natural learning invloves times of saturation and times of quiet and times of action. our bodies intuitively respond. no worries.
Derek,
I have seen you grow in Biz since CDBaby/ W.o.m.b. days. It took me forever to go Solo and I am doing that now. Still learning...Growing.
I have always thought you to be a creative person...
I think you have music & Art in you. That is why I have asked you to be part of musical collaborations before. There are so many people you could be creative with.
You do have much knowledge. But you have not accessed your full potential. That is what I believe~ You are Amazing.
http://www.squarepegpeople.com/art-and-fear-book-review.php
Thank you for your emails & thoughts...
So much more to say but good for now.
Marta
Derek,
As I play my guitar, the more I learn the more I see endless possibilities. This is great- there's always more to learn.
glad to see you posting again ^^
I have actually read the descriptions of your upcoming projects. I can't wait until they are released.
also addicted to learning. i wrote a little blog on what i call the 5 levels of learning How to Learn More Effectively
http://www.jamieleger.com/productivity-tips/how-to-learn-more-effectively-5-levels-of-learning/