Entrepreneur, programmer, avid student of life. I make useful things, and share what I learn.

How I knew I was done with my company

I thought I would never sell my company. I started it as a hobby in 1997. When NPR did a story about me in 2004, I said I'd stick it out until the end, and I meant it.

In 2007 I did a ground-up rewrite of the the website from scratch. And man, it was beautiful code. My proudest achievement of my life so far is that backend software. Wonderfully organized, extensible, and efficient: the culmination of everything I'd learned about programming in 10 years.

After a successful relaunch and Christmas rush, I was looking at my plan for 2008 and beyond. It was all stuff that would take a huge effort for little reward, but needed to be done to allow future growth. I had broken it into about 20 projects, each taking 2 to 12 weeks, and I wasn't excited about any of them. I'd taken it far beyond my goals, and realized I had no big vision for it being much else.

The next week, I got three calls from three different companies, each asking if I'd be interested in selling. I said no, as usual, since I'd been giving the same answer for 10 years.

But just to be open-minded, that weekend I opened my diary and started answering the question, “What if I sold?”

I had done this a few times in previous years, but the answer had always been, “No way! There's so much more I want to do! This is my baby. There's no way I could let go.”

This time it was different. I thought how nice it'd be to not have 85 employees and all that responsibility. I wrote how nice it'd be to get outside a bit and feel free from all that. I got excited about all the cool new projects I could do instead.

I realized the bigger learning/growing challenge for me was letting go, not staying on.

Surprised by this, I asked Seth Godin's advice. He said just, “If you care, sell.”

My lack of enthusiastic vision was doing a disservice to my clients. It'd be better for them if I put the company in more motivated hands that could help them all grow.

I called Jared Rose, my business coach, and asked him to grill me upside down about this big decision. “What other ways can you achieve the freedom you want, without selling?” After an hour of questions like this, we both came to the conclusion that I was really done.

Like any breakup, graduation, or move, you emotionally disconnect, and it all feels in the past. Like I was already on the highway with a little box of stuff, moving cross-country, with my old home long gone, never to be seen again. By the end of that day I was no longer derek@cdbaby.com.

Unfortunately, like a divorce, the paperwork took another 7 months. I let two companies bid, and ended up choosing the one with the lower bid, but that I felt understood my clients better. During the 7 months of never-ending due diligence, I had to keep my decision secret, since at any point if they tried to change the terms, I was willing to walk away and say nevermind. (Luckily the other company called me weekly to let me know they were still interested.)

But it was never about the money. The decision was done in that one introspective day of writing in my diary and talking with my mentors. I was completely unconflicted, and knew through-and-through it was absolutely the right decision.

I went to bed that night (January 18, 2008) and slept longer than I had in months. Then I woke up full of detailed ideas for my next company Muckwork, but that's a different story.

The reason I'm telling all this is because I've been asked the question a few times by other entrepreneurs, “How do you know when it's time to sell?”. My answer is really, “You'll know”, but I hope this detailed story helps illustrate that feeling.

Adoption Life Cycle

(Huge thanks to Idea Sandbox for that brilliant image.)

Comments

  1. Joel D Canfield (2009-10-13) #

    The risk of not changing is almost always greater than the risk of changing. Leap while you're at the top of the curve, and the next curve builds on the momentum.

    The time to sell? Sooner than you think.

  2. C.C. Chapman (2009-10-13) #

    THANK YOU for telling this story. It is an important lesson and I know I appreciate you sharing it.

  3. Rex Strother (2009-10-13) #

    And they took that exquisite backend software - and tossed it right out. Thanks, Discmasters.

  4. fran snyder (2009-10-13) #

    I see a lot of artists that need to ask themselves these kinds of questions. It's OK for music to be your hobby. Make your peace with it.

  5. Justin Schroder (2009-10-13) #

    I want to be done with mine because I work 60 hours a week for $25K/Ann.

    Kinda stupid, huh?

  6. Camela (2009-10-13) #

    Always wondered, came out of the blue for me. Thanks for Sharing.

    I tell this to my overworked friends all the time, "If you let go of what you're doing, what would be two other jobs, the company will have a better idea of what needs to get done."

    glad you took the leap, but we still miss your emails! smile

  7. Bryan Borgman (2009-10-13) #

    You shoulda chose the other company! The new company never shoulda changed your glorious back-end code! The new CDBaby sux without you!!

  8. Toni Koch (2009-10-13) #

    I loved reading this. Thank you Derek. I've learned "when you are inspired, your mind sees no limitations, dormant forces come to new life. you discover yourself to be a greater person than you ever thought you could be." from Eckart Tolle "The Power of Now" readings. To let go is to "be come" anew. Thanks for sharing - as it seems to be what a lot of us went through in 2006-2008. And now heading into 2010 we're all inspired again!

  9. Calin (2009-10-13) #

    From my perspective, what was really nice was the fact you could get input from other persons regarding that move. I wish I have a business coach and a mind like Seth's to give me some more insights over some business issues.

    Greetings from Romania,
    C.

  10. Michael Fogler (2009-10-13) #

    Thanks for the interesting story. I must add that the company that bought CD Baby recently re-did the website, and since then, apparently largely due to problems with the website, their service to the artists has gone way down hill. I hope this only temporary (although it seems like it's a *long* temporary); because it's not at all been like the CD Baby I once knew.

  11. James C. Patterson (2009-10-13) #

    I'm looking forward to your "muckwork" services. How about a little sneak preview of what you'll be offering?
    http://sivers.org/muckwork is the best preview so far. Sorry for the delay. Thought I'd start it right away, then realized I needed to exhale a bit first. -- Derek

  12. Lance Harrison (2009-10-13) #

    Interesting. We are asking the same questions at this moment about changing our lives.
    There are so many things I want to do. Perhaps just a shift will do it, but it's time to do something before it gets changed for us! We've been through that before and that's no fun! I always enjoy your introspections, they often seem to parallel my own!

  13. Lea (2009-10-13) #

    Derek, thanks for the advice and for the a great invention Baby... It's still the best online distro and so trustworthy....
    I can not say thank you enough.

    your (theirs) (CDBABY's) reputation is amazing...

  14. Doug Williams (2009-10-13) #

    @ #3- yeah, I miss the old CDbaby. But i'm READY FOR MUCKWORK!!

  15. Kent Arnsbarger (2009-10-13) #

    I kid of feel this way about a nice little part time job I'm going to leave next week. I've a part of it in some form for 25 years Im just not inspired to do it anymore. I think I'm doing all involved a disservice be hanging on. Certianly not the incredible amount of money you're talking about, but my marching band needs new blood. It's been a prilvilage to do this activity for so long & at such a high level. Love the marching percussion idiom, but love the family time more.
    Time to move on, time to get going.

  16. Peter Ncanywa (2009-10-13) #

    Great piece! Another form of growth and development is moving on. When comfort zones are reached, mediocrity is conceived and your dreams of doing great things are but none.

  17. Sean Gill (2009-10-13) #

    Lessons can be learned from your story and applied to many projects. Even if it isn't making you money or earning a living, is a given project worth your time? Are you still doing it for the reason you started, or out of obligation? Thanks Derek.

  18. Crazy John Kerecz (2009-10-13) #

    It just shows how none of us should every stop asking ourselves the hard questions!

  19. DimpsforU (2009-10-13) #

    I just hope we all can benefit from Disc Makers.

  20. Mykel (2009-10-13) #

    Derek your sharing never ceases to transform my thinking.

    A great lesson today.

    Mykel

  21. Dj Insanne (2009-10-13) #

    DAMN! That's it in a nutshell Derek.
    The hard part is parting with something that your so compassionate about!

    But as everything you have to know when enough is enough. And you need those positive voices around you to honestly tell you the truth.

  22. Christopher Prim (2009-10-13) #

    'Enthusiasm' in Greek means 'filled with god'. When it's gone, it's gone, and there no use pretending.

    Someone once said "a relationship worth ending is a relationship worth having in a new way". Someone else said 'start with the ending; it's the best way to begin'.

    There is a life-cycle to individual beings, businesses, relationships; everything. Robert Fritz describes the stages very well in 'The Path of Least Resistance':

    http://www.amazon.com/Path-Least-Resistance-Learning-Creative/dp/0449903370

  23. Simone Giuliani (2009-10-13) #

    Great post Derek.
    In the end, aren't 'our guts' always the most efficient, modern and efficient marketing tool? smile

  24. Brad Parker (2009-10-13) #

    There are so many ways to enjoy yourself in this world, if only you have the time. But when you have time, more often than not you don't have the money; and more often than that you get to old!

  25. Victoria Galinsky (2009-10-13) #

    CD Baby is the greatest independent music website EVER.
    God Bless CD Baby!

  26. Brad Parker (2009-10-13) #

    too old

  27. Moe Arora (2009-10-13) #

    Great post Derek! I recently closed down my business, so I can certainly relate to the internal dispute regarding making such a decision (albeit, it was on a far smaller scale than CDBaby).

    This kind of decision often leaves onlookers dumbfounded, as to the reasoning, but when you see the bigger picture in things, you simply cannot deny it. We must move on and continue to build towards that ultimate goal.

    “Quitting while you’re ahead, isn’t the same as quitting.”

  28. Jason Miles (2009-10-13) #

    98% of business owners entrepreneurs will never have to ask the question "how do I know when to sell" because they will never be put in that situation. You should be congratulated because you had an idea-it worked and you profited.
    The question to me is You sold-You made a lot of cash-Now what are you going to do to give something back to what has been generously given to you.
    I have a couple of friends who were bought out by large companies and I am impressed how they have lived their lives since.
    They got it
    Peace, jason
    Yeah, I should talk about that some day, too.... -- Derek

  29. Abel (2009-10-13) #

    Derek
    Thank you for sharing all you have. Much of the info and personal insights you have shared give me strength and inspiration to follow my dreams as well.
    Abel

  30. Bill Thurman (2009-10-13) #

    hi Derek

    I am still with CD Baby. I still believe that it is one of the greatest things that you or anyone else could have ever done to aid and promote independent musicians. I understand how you felt when you finally decided to sell. I have been through a divorce and had to let go of a number of other things in life that
    I practically took as guaranteed.
    when your heart is not inspired to continue something anymore then it's time to move on. when you hold on to something you no longer love, you will die. one way or the other.

  31. Danney Ball (2009-10-13) #

    you got how many million derek? (grin) ... db

  32. Donnie Christianson (2009-10-13) #

    A very timely post. smile

  33. Antoinette Calderon (2009-10-13) #

    That is the day I understood bittersweet!

  34. Dave Feder (2009-10-13) #

    I know it was a big decision Derek.
    But great achievements sometimes become anchors. Grow and fly free Bro. You can do the most good when you are still loving what you do.
    Dave

  35. Chip Mergott (2009-10-13) #

    Derek, your reasons sound understandable, logical, even inevitable. Sadly though, the result for a lot of us has been a dramatic downturn in the quality of CDbaby in ways to numerous to mention.

  36. Mary Catterton (2009-10-13) #

    Well, again I'll contribute to this blog business - just to provide you all with a "lunatic's" point of view.

    I started an advertising agency with a couple customers who got to know me through the production and sale of commercial music. They all said, "Mary - you should have your own business." I thought, "You should mind your own business... I have enough on my plate."

    I had just had my first child... and lost my mom within months of each other. But the more I thought, it became clear that working for this jingle studio wasn't really doing anything that would leave something of meaning for my family.

    So I called up the six or so folks who had the bright idea about my starting a business and asked them to fish or cut bait. All of them said yes. Remarkably they all stayed with me for the duration of the time I had my company - which was about 28 years.

    Derek, I wasn't smart enough to sell my life's investment... I did try, but couldn't find a fit with another company that had the heart to treat my customers the way they needed to be cared for. So one by one - I found a small ad "this" and another marketing "that" - and gave my account list away.

    This is a long way to get to my point, so forgive me - but I now understand that it never was my company. It was a gift from God for me to manage as best as possible - and to use as a platform to minister to the needs of others.

    As you know from previous discussions - this time was also the period of transition... my call to lay ministry. I've since founded a non-profit company called "Waters of Life Ministry for Women, Inc." I'm having the time of my life. God is providing for our needs - as He promises.

    We just cut a single for Habitat for Humanity. And we're putting the final vocals on a new Christmas CD to be released this December.

    I'm writing weekly devotions to a growing number of email subscribers, and for two monthly periodicals.

    My song writing got some nice attention in Nashville, TN this past July.

    I look forward to your articles. They're inspiring, insightful and encouraging.

    Derek your intuitiveness is a gift, as is your strong character and virtue centered rather than value centered living.

    I'm expecting huge things from you... by the help of God!

    Mary Catterton

  37. Chuck Hughes (2009-10-13) #

    I no longer get a notice from CDBaby when they have made a direct deposit. I have to watch my bank statements.

  38. Tom N. Tierney (2009-10-13) #

    Personally, I miss seeing the "hits' (how many people visited my CDBaby site)... I don't have a big selling item, so it was just fun to look at. And I liked the simpler, folky looking design, with the attitude of 'this is simple, just click here'. Thanks for the inside view, hope you don't regret it in years to come, but I understand the motivating factors. I tend to work my art too much, not letting go. My dad used to call it "Gitchying" -- over-working a small place too much and not lookking at the big picture. At least I treat my songs differently -- just get the idea down and move on!! Thanks, you truly are an inspiration.

  39. Jonathan Byrd (2009-10-13) #

    CD Baby is still the best company I've ever worked with. I posted an email/blog/tweet about looking for a writing job and CD Baby emailed and asked for my resume THE NEXT DAY. Not only does CD Baby care enough to ask me for my resume, someone actually reads my fan communications!

    Name one company in the world that responsive. Ain't one. There's nothing wrong with the new CD Baby.

  40. Darrell Looney (2009-10-13) #

    Would be cool to let go of my medical career and do music full time. Practicing medicine really sucks now in the US and I feel it's the main thing stifling my growth as a musician, but as with a lot of things, doctors get screwed into a life you can't readily afford to walk away from. The thing is it's easier to do this sort of "walking away" if you have sufficient back-end support to sustain you while you explore other options. This is certainly unrealistic with the average medical career. Still, as with you Derek, it's worth the exercise to ask the question, "What if I did walk away?". Similar concepts put forth in the "4 hour Work Week" book. Nice to know someone who ACTUALLY lives these concepts. I suppose the only thing stopping me is my own mindset.

  41. Denise Russell (2009-10-13) #

    i can relate. there have been certain times that i've know to move on from members of my band or felt it was time to move forward when my peers around me wanted to stay the same..i am a visionary and you're right...you just know...
    thanks for the insight, derek...

  42. Bob Weisenberg (2009-10-13) #

    As one who also has a history of entrepreneurship and big seemingly sudden big changes in my life (flamenco guitarist to CPA to programmer to software entrepreneur to public company to startup internet company to Yoga writer, etc.)I can really appreciate this story. I'm sure it will be very helpful to many.

    Thanks,

    Bob Weisenberg

  43. REALITY THE FIRST (2009-10-13) #

    MAN! YOUR HOBBY now your baby! with out pass their is no future thank for all the information that making my hobby a dream come true!

  44. Steve J (2009-10-13) #

    I realize that selling CDBaby was best for you but I wish that you were still there. They are absolutely terrible now.

  45. Vernon Carne (2009-10-13) #

    I'm sure you made the right decision in selling CD Baby, but for the independent artist the changeover has been a big disappointment. No "hits" count, no notice of sale, and a big sales drop-off. Maybe DiscMakers will get it right eventually. Maybe you will even get an urge to lend a hand/advice and save your "Baby." Here's hoping.

  46. Greg Tamblyn (2009-10-13) #

    Your decision is totally understandable, and I'm always happy for anyone who's doing what they're excited about. But I gotta echo the folks above who miss the old CD Baby, and miss you being there.

    The changes to the CD Baby site, and especially the design, are disappointing. Much more corporate looking, much less fun.

    On my Gallery page, the 4 most dominant visual elements are all CD Baby links, nothing to do with me. It's almost like they're saying, "We don't care if you buy from this artist, just buy from CD Baby."

    Since the changes, my sales there have dropped from a steady $50/week to basically nothing.

    Coincidence?

    Love to get your feedback on the changes if you wanna email me privately.

    On a more positive note, thanks for setting up a cool company/service, and for all your help when you were there.

    Greg

  47. Dawn Ginese (2009-10-13) #

    Thanks Derek, for sharing your story and words of wisdom. My son was just asking me when I was going to start doing my
    "other" music(adult stuff), I told him I was not quite done beating the horse. Still having fun! Dawn

  48. cat coward (2009-10-13) #

    I appreciate that it was time for you to move on, but I really miss you at CDbaby. It's not at all the same... I don't like the look of it, or how it works. Consequently, I don't have nearly the same loyalty as I did to the old CD baby. If something else came along, I wouldn't hesitate to jump.

    But that said, I applaud what you did, and respect you continuing to follow your dreams!

    Cat

  49. John Dendy (2009-10-13) #

    Wow! John'O Groats to Lands End, that's a long bike ride....

  50. Bruce Maier (2009-10-13) #

    Derek;

    You always did what you said you would do.I always got my checks on time and your accounting was perfect. And, most of all, you personalized and made me feel recognized even though I was just the little guy,you never forgot those of us who helped you grow. I am forever a friend and a fan. Bruce Maier

  51. Van Taylor (2009-10-13) #

    Simply put wise choice from a wise man, Wisdom is to know when.

  52. Steve (2009-10-13) #

    Great info. I have been in the process of setting up a new EP and I must say CDBaby's "sleek new look" is way less functional than the old layout a few years back. I miss it!

    Looking forward to hearing more about Muckwork.

  53. Josh Robins (2009-10-13) #

    This story IS inspiring, but I think it inspires me differently

    Every now and again, I have a reality check with myself and I realize I could walk away from my band and lose all the stress. recently I came really close to doing so but I guess that I ultimately realized that I wasn't done.

    most business ventures fail. CD BABY didn't and as a result, Derek had money to keep going. It wasn't lack of financing that drove his decision to stop. That's what inspires me.

    I realized that it WAS mostly lack of money that made me think I was done.

    I say all the time that I'll never leave the band but sometimes I have doubts. Sometimes I lose faith Thinking more objectively now, I see that lack of money isn't an acceptable reason (to me) to call it quits. I see that lack of vision on the part of my partners shouldn't limit mine. I won't be done until I've really gone as far as I want to go creatively.

    At the end of the day, we're all still us. Even Derek is still the guy who started CD BABY. In a way, he's still Derek@cdbaby.com to us!

  54. Chris Nelson (2009-10-13) #

    I understand that you deserve a break after founding and growing your company to become one of the most notable independent record distributors in the country, if not the world. That's no small task. However, we, your former customers, are also feeling the pain of separation as you described. I am not very happy with the new owners. Judging from some of the replies on this forum, there's not too many people who are. It took forever for the new folks to get my CD right and what used to take only about a week seems to take almost a month. i have tired to remain open-minded about this, but I think the evidence speaks for itself. The company was an extension of who you are, and while you were there, I felt like I knew you even though we've never actually met. These new people aren't in it for the same reasons as you, or at least they do not appear to be, based on their actions. Sometimes, in order to maintain the conpany's integrity, you have to let it consume you. I think I speak for most all of the CD Baby artists out there when I say that your presence at CD Baby is missed.

  55. Danny Brooks (2009-10-13) #

    Thanks for sharing valuable insights Derek, they are helpful. CD Baby isn't the same without you, but it is always hard to fill the shoes of the creator so to speaksmileand have the same passion.
    God bless

  56. Dennis Coleman (2009-10-13) #

    Hi Derek,

    I've been a big fan of CDBaby and I understand your decision to sell, but I think you should have vetted DiscMakers a little more... You handed your baby to un-fit foster parents. Hopefully it's mature enough to withstand the abuse... I'd like to hope they mean well though...

  57. Jimi (2009-10-13) #

    It's important to understand that disconnect of who you are & what you do. I still look at songs I've written & guitars I've built & smile.
    & now I look at my kids & smile.
    But every now & then, I look in a mirror, & no matter how tired & wiped out I am, I can still smile & ask myself, what's next?
    The journey never ends.

  58. Greg Jensen (2009-10-13) #

    How did I know I was done...
    A story of growth.
    The hardest thing for me was giving myself
    permission to Let Go. Didn't I owe my people who worked with me, to see it through? What about them? This was the hard decision, my heart was the first to let go, but I went through the motions caught between " finish what you started and my hearts there".
    Musically/energy, I was being pulled in another direction that I couldn't see.
    A keyboard I ordered arrived that I originally want to use for a piece for the old project.
    However, when I sat to play it my heart opened and another path was revealed.
    Now about the all those other people...
    if I'm not being true to myself, how honest
    am I being with those around me?
    In doing that which is much more challenging but more true to who I am,
    am I not doing the best for all those around me?

  59. Kathryn Frederick (2009-10-13) #

    Your decision was obviously the right one for you and you have had so many wonderful experiences since that I'm sure you don't look back that often or regret your choice.
    You gave so much of yourself to all of us when you ran CDbaby and I personally gained so much from your meetings that you held in Portland at CDbaby.

    Unfortunately Discmakers doesn't hold a candle to what you achieved,
    but everyone has already said that. I'm just so pleased that you are writing and your writing continues to inspire me.

    Cat, something else is on its way and I am jumping.

    Kathryn

  60. Raheem (2009-10-13) #

    This was great! I did not realize you code as well. I'd like to read about how you learned programming and your journey into the world of coding. Thanks.
    Necessity is the best teacher. I started CD Baby knowing nothing but basic HTML, then just learned PHP and SQL as needed, since I couldn't afford to hire a programmer. I just learned from books and online help. Now it's my favorite part. -- Derek

  61. David Barr (2009-10-13) #

    Now that you are gone from CDBABY it is not the same. Please tell us more about Muckwork. A great post.

  62. Michael S Autry (2009-10-13) #

    From all the input I get, staying busy is the main thing. I have already experienced money(not like yours) and freedom. In my life it seems to make me lazy. After about 10 years I was half dead. Fortunately my wife helped me get a paper route and I began to get better. Beware of complacency It's a killer.

  63. dwight l. quinn (2009-10-13) #

    Thanks Derek,
    I've been leaving my company for two years now,and the reason that I haven't gone anywhere is that I haven't gave much thought to what to do next. I've been building and running this one Company for over 30yrs. But htere's one thing for sure and that is,I'm out of here.
    Thanks Derek.

  64. Charlie (2009-10-13) #

    My Dad always said, "Leave a party when it's at it's peak". I thought, "ya, right Dad" 40 years later, i see how right he was and how it applies to so many things.

  65. Mick Flores (2009-10-13) #

    Well you built it and we all came for the ride.It's not quite the same since you've sold the company.Thank you for creating cdbaby Derek ...you've made things a little easier for independent musicians,and I am forever grateful.

  66. toogal (2009-10-13) #

    CD baby received my discs on July 7. They came available for sale late August. The songs from my discs are still not available on iTunes, this is their 3rd attempt to submit them successfully.

    I respect your decision to sell your company and that is your right.

    However, you sold to the wrong people, Discmakers has taken 10 years of your work and turned it into crap.

  67. David Griffith (2009-10-13) #

    .... you posted this without asking for comment .... thanks anyway.

    .... although I sometimes feel like I'm part of a 'hooray for Derek' community, I do understand that THAT is not your motivation...

    I've just spent a month working with someone who operates at a far higher energy level than I do ( under normal circumstance).

    I could be inspired or discouraged by this approach and it wouldn't alter the way my friend works..... so much depends upon my receptivity.

    At the moment,I'm inspired AND a bit exhausted.... thankfully, the inspiration outlasts the exhaustion...... much the same as with your 'posts.'

  68. Dick Schalk (2009-10-13) #

    Derek,
    Thanks so much for all that you did for myself, my bands, and the other music products that I produced and released through CDBABY. I understand and appreciate why you chose to move on... life is short! As I've mentioned to you earlier (as other have too), you (and your wonderful backend code) are sorely missed at the current CDBABY! Best of luck to you in your current and future projects.

  69. RoyK (2009-10-13) #

    You got out at the right time derek.

  70. Lisa Brigantino (2009-10-13) #

    Having been in several business situations, where I've stayed too long at the party, I've since learned to leave sooner than I might have initially felt ready to. It's tough, but in the long run, getting out can be the best thing. It leaves room for the kind of unexpected growth you couldn't have done in the previous situation.

  71. David Almgren (2009-10-13) #

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings Derek - a good read as always!

    A short comment (as I have been there) on how you know when it is time to sell (or move on). I disagree that you 'just know'. You may know at heart, but you have to give yourself time to stop and THINK to really know as the heart and mind seldom are as connected as they should be.

    It is clear that you did just that Derek.

    When I ran my business I failed to stop and think. I was lucky though, stopped just in time.

    Now let's see, I got this little project here.. =)

  72. Rj.Vasquez (2009-10-13) #

    man! i had u all wrong!lol congrats on ur bold moves..inspiring to say the least.

    cheers.

  73. Kelly Pardekooper (2009-10-13) #

    I knew it was time to stop touring when my wife noticed I was getting cranky before heading out. After ten years, I was kind of on tour auto pilot. Same venues in US and Europe and OK money...Lots of friends, loving the music, but it was as simple as getting cranky and kind of short about live performances. That's when I knew I was done touring in 2008. Still love the writing/recording process, but hanging with my wife and hiking and letting go of the touring has made 2009 my best year!

  74. Mark Gresham (2009-10-13) #

    Derek, I won't use your blog to beat a certain dead horse, except to say: Once you've sold someone your automobile, even with the best of intentions, there is nothing you can do to prevent them from either rebuilding it or wrecking it.

    The present and the future are what need attention. Alvin Singleton once said to me: "Don't look back, but always remember." So I'm passing that small bit of wisdom along.

    That said: There are some relevant passages related to your core "transition" them in Michael Kaiser's "Strategic Planning in the Arts: A Practical Guide" which deal with an organization in stagnation.

    The Guide is free (or at least used to be), but these days it seems you have to go through a couple of small hoops to get it (joining artsmanager.org). The first stop is going to http://www.artsmanager.org and looking for the links in the lower right-hand corner. I got mine in PDF several years ago, before the requirement to join.

    You can also find Kaiser's book "The Art of the Turnaround" for sale there.

    (FWIW: Kaiser is president of the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in DC.)

    He makes a good case for how non-profits start up, grow, flourish, but then plateau and often stagnate in a dysfunctional manner; they either the reinvent themselves or die.

    Useful reading to have on hand if you run a festival or non-profit arts organization. I gave a copy to a west-coast music festival, along with some other stuff from elsewhere, and they reinvented themselves, going from the edge of shutting down forever to ending the next season $90 grand in the black--and they're still in the black in a bad economy.

  75. Pete Ashman (2009-10-13) #

    i was with you until the image, that's just BS made by guys in suits. your not a guy in a suit so i dont know what your doing paying them so much attention.

    i respect your decision to sell. whoever bought CDBaby, it was going to become much more business orientated, and thus go downhill in the eyes of many artists and fans.

  76. Ian Bruce (2009-10-13) #

    music being
    derek, i'll give you 2 to 1 odds that
    "muckwork" will be nothing more than MUCK
    or far from what you vision.

    there are so many companies doing "muckwork" now.

    and i can't understand your promotion of the planetary group,
    that video, that you promo pushed in a past email, shows a pompous
    ass
    AND
    not even a mention of doing some test marketing before spending a
    small fortune on his company.

    you've been talking for over 2 years on muckwork, did you make the mistake of announcing it before doing it?

    isn't that something you warn others not to do?

    bright musical ways
    ian the being
    I thought I was going to start Muckwork right away, and announced it so I could get people involved. Then realized I needed time to exhale first before I dove into something new. That's why it's a a year later than I thought. -- Derek

  77. Dave Harpe (2009-10-13) #

    I wish I had seen this story many years ago, when I held on and held and held on to a job I should have quit years before, until it wrecked my health.

  78. Nicholas Markos (2009-10-13) #

    Very interesting stuff.
    Derek, I'm curious about Seth Godin's advice (“If you care, sell.”)--does it mean that you should sell while you still care about the company? Did you mean to type, "If you don't care, sell"? I'm interested in what he meant and how you interpreted his characterization of the threshold for the decision.
    The sentence after that explains it more. I think he meant that if I'm feeling unenthisiastic about it, then I'm doing my clients a disservice by remaining the owner. So if I care about my clients, sell it and let someone else take it to new heights. -- Derek

  79. Thom Keith (2009-10-13) #

    This is a very interesting article and I have no doubt you did the right thing and respect your attempts to do right by your clients as well. Sadly, I'm not sure they've followed through. I appreciate and respect your decision but continue to regret your departure. That said, I wish you nothing but the best in future endeavors, as you are that rare person who acts first out of common decency, something very lacking in modern business.

  80. Jim Wilken (2009-10-13) #

    Great timing Derek. I have been thinking about selling our recording studio for a few weeks now. I'm doing broadcast engineering consulting and not having much enjoyment out of or time to get things done in the studio after 15 years. Thank goodness for great employees. Now i have a plan to follow in organizing my thoughts & feelings about this.

  81. Bil "Saxman" (2009-10-13) #

    It's always great to read your stories Derek but 'Man', even though after many years with cdbaby and only mediocre sales, I really miss the personalized emails advising of a sale and the new layout of cdbaby is a minefield to find your way round...Old saying is,'If It Aint Broke, DONT Fix It'..Somehow I think It's now got bent and the only one to straighten it out is not there..Peace Derek.

  82. Helge Krabye (2009-10-13) #

    Thanks for sharing this, Derek. For me as a CDbaby artist, the change has been a very bad experience. I am not able to sell CD's after the total makeover, and there are obvious glitches in the new code and features. You can't find my artist (Homeless Balloon) when searching for musical genres or similar artists (it seems that the whole search engine isn't working like it should). It took many, many weeks and lots of emails before I was able to sell downloads. And the new owner must get thousands of support requests each day, since they haven't answered a single one of mine. I am seriously thinking about finding a different site where I can sell my music. - Just like you, Derek, I have such great memories of CDbaby like it used to be...

  83. L-Love (2009-10-13) #

    Derek, you know how I feel about you as a businessman. I respect you. I think I was only the 3rd Rap Artist to sign up for cdbaby.com but man selling to Disc Makers has really hurt me personally.
    They don't care about us as artists on what is now their site. They just see those $35 sign up fee's coming in and thats what drives them.
    It is in no way shape or form as GREAT of a company as it was when you owned it and structured it and ran it. That is the HONEST truth.
    Congratulations and Best Wishes in your new endevours and I will always be THANKFUL for what cdbaby.com did for me in the beginning. But man have times changed.

  84. Kevin Ferguson (2009-10-13) #

    I miss the old CD baby accounting. It quickly and clearly showed me what I wanted to know. Now, many simple things what are my total sales (CD's, mp3's from CDbaby, digital downloads) this month so far, are not so simple to get. Some things I used to see easily are now so tedius and spread across so many pages that it is no longer practical for me to try to compile the info. Well, anyway, it used to be good...nice while it lasted, Derek. Thanks.

  85. Dave Van Dyke (2009-10-13) #

    I agree, it's not same after you left, it seems the myspace page is getting me more reviews and there is no way of knowing how your stuff is delivered to inet vendor. dv

  86. Tuti (2009-10-13) #

    CDBaby lost its uniqueness when you sold it. I felt it immediately, in tinny details, hard to pinpoint, but there. But, it all about business, right?

  87. Pete Downes (2009-10-13) #

    Great piece Derek. Congratulations on building a successful business that was so good for self-releasing musicians like myself.

    I understand totally your desire to sell. I did a similar thing a few years back and I wish you every success.

    I must say that every musician on CD Baby misses your well designed backend software!

    How could they screw up such a brilliant thing? In any other business area heads would roll. They have lost respect for the thing that helped build CD Baby: the artists!

    Those of us that have been with CD Baby for years used to feel part of the business and feel the respect you had for them.

    We miss you but completely support your motives!

    All the best with the new projects!

  88. Gilli Moon (2009-10-13) #

    Derek, I commend you for making a decision and learning to say "no", "no more". It's the hardest words we can learn. I struggle with these notions every day, what with the entities i have built. I always have to make my artistry come first. but yes, it's always a struggle to allow it to be first in my life.

  89. Aaron (2009-10-13) #

    Thanks for sharing smile
    It is too bad that CD Baby sucks so much right now... they never email back, answer their phone, or deal with huge issues with our releases. I will probably switch to another distributor and it pains me to say that after all the love I had for CD Baby.

  90. Barry ( Skully) Waddell (2009-10-13) #

    Yes indeed - time to move on. Derek - Sir, you definitely created a very great thing, ran up the flag-pole and a lot of people saluted it and have benefited from it.
    The help you have been to musicians on this planet is off the scale.
    It is a shame things are getting twisted around and not as friendly and fun there as they used to be at "the-baby".
    Discmakers is very good company too and I have hope that they will get things ironed out soon.
    I have a platinum studio partnership with Discmakers. Every product / release of ours for 15 years has been with them.
    BUT concerning the "new baby" - ((Just in case someone there is reading ))"The more you over-work the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain" - I think that is what is happening. smile

  91. Jill Morrison (2009-10-13) #

    Derek - GREAT article! Can truly sympathsize & understand about the challenges of letting go you mention, sometimes it's what you have to do...

    But, honestly, cdbaby is/will not be the same w/o you. Having met you early on and spoken with you on various occasions through the years, I was most impressed with your brilliant ideas, clarity, (contagious) enthusiasm and things you did that REALLY worked well within the business, and truly helped the artists get their music out and not be ripped off.

    All your innovative website things - hit counters, etc. made perfect sense - artists could see statistics and activity. Notice they have since been put back onto the site. Demographic location charts would help as well, so an artist would know where their fans are for future performances.

    Without a doubt you always left me feeling safe & secure with things, thanks to your honesty, dedication, watchful eye to ensuring the uptmost in service (even via cdbaby employees), aside from giving a personal air to the company that cannot be matched now, no matter what "improvements" they think they've made.

    Looking forward to seeing what Muckwork will be.

    In closing, while I do hope Discmakers will not let cdbaby falter, though we noticed a considerable sales decline since they fully took over...

    I do hope you didn't sign a non-compete clause - as maybe after taking a break and startup of Muckwork, you'd be open to doing up a new biz akin to cdbaby with yet a new twist. Who knows? =)

  92. John Stringer (2009-10-13) #

    So Derek... I'd love to hear how and when you decided to get a business coach.
    Not much to say about that. 2005 and I needed some outside perspective. Called up Tony Robbins' company and talked with some of their coaches. Jared and I really hit it off and still talk often. -- Derek

  93. Nathan Herrera (2009-10-13) #

    great,great article.

  94. Terry Dossey (2009-10-13) #

    CD Baby isn't the same, and will never be the same. However, you did your share, and much more, a great service to musicians. Thank you for that. Enjoy your well-deserved new life. smile

    T.

  95. Gary Wood (2009-10-13) #

    It's a pretty safe bet that I'll never have to ask myself that question.

    That aside, I liked the old, Derek-era CD Baby artist pages much better, it was all in one place, no clicking around.

  96. Dan Frankowski (2009-10-13) #

    I have to say, the cdbaby site redesign sucks. You are missed.

  97. David Thomas Roberts (2009-10-13) #

    Indeed, CD Baby hasn't been the same uniquely satisfying company without you. But I'm eager to partake of the dynamism I see coming with your Muckwork.

    David

  98. Brenda MacIntyre (2009-10-13) #

    Derek,

    I know the feeling as I went through a similar process with a group I led a while back. I went on a retreat and knew before I even returned that it was time to let go of the group and get back to my path as a solo artist. So glad I did!!

    But I too must say that I absolutely miss the way CDBaby was when you were there. Everything was so smooth, customer service was amazing and I always felt good getting a CDBaby email.

    As soon as you left, it all went downhill for me.

    I can't even get someone on the phone when I call CDBaby, and I'm talking being on hold for over half hour long distance.

    To get an email response, I have to email them at least twice, sometimes a lot more, and be extremely , shall we say, "persistent" and "assertive" with my tone.

    They screw up orders, don't let me know when anything's done, and yeah, the new layout does NOT work.

    It is indeed unbelievable how poor their service and storefront are now.

    I also no longer get emails with info about the fans who bought my CDs - and that was very helpful to me.

    I honestly won't be using them again after this CD, and I regret using them for this one - doing it myself is just a whole lot better. I just hope they don't screw up with iTunes etc.

    Anyway... you are sorely missed in all dealings I've had with CDBaby ever since you left. And at the same time, I totally get it about your decision, having been there myself.

    I can sense the freedom you now feel and even with mixed feelings, I sure do wish you the best and will continue to follow your blog etc.

    Peace,
    Brenda MacIntyre, Medicine Song Woman

  99. Wendy Collings (2009-10-13) #

    It's interesting that CD Baby kept the mark of your personality while it grew so big. Most often a growing company will lose its most personalising features (and a great deal of its creativity, drive and edge) when business processes are introduced as substitutes for the boss's decision-making.

    Since we're not yet capable of Artificial Intelligence, business processes can be a kind of Artificial Stupidity instead. Were you aware of having done things differently? Did you have creative business processes, or relatively few of them? Or did you find employees who thought the way you did?
    Those same business processes you describe can be used to communicate the boss's vision, if the boss makes the processes. Then yeah the philosophy of the company was deeply understood by everyone who worked there, and they were free to make decisions that fit with the “be cool” philosophy. -- Derek

  100. Roberta Schultz (2009-10-13) #

    Thanks for sharing this. I've had to leave many things in my life that were "my babies." In retrospect, some of them might have done better without me had I left sooner. People are missing your indelible stamp on CD Baby. It's more a praise of what you contributed than an indictment of the people who must run it now. Anyway, that chart you included pretty much explains the "wave of woe." Thanks for having such a great idea in the first place. And for acting on it with such passion. While I'm still sad that you let go of it--hey, who else answers e-mail from their company on a weekend because they are sleeping on the couch trying to get things working?--I enjoy reading these articles.

  101. Stevie Coyle (2009-10-13) #

    By my lights, the lynchpin concept in your blog is "But it was never about the money." You rightfully prioritized satisfaction over raw monetary gain. The irony for some of us, at any rate, is that we think that the more obviously remunerative route is the clearest gateway to satisfaction, when sometimes that objective is the prime _obstacle_ to satisfaction.

    I left a presumably going concern a couple of years ago, as well. In my case, the whole situation was financially disastrous, developmentally stagnant and artistically well over the hump of your bell curve, but folks were amazed that I didn't hang on for The Glory's sake. But I think a lot of musicians end up finding that glory ain't satisfaction. The two can be coincident, but they are far from interdependent.

  102. Don Baaska (2009-10-13) #

    Hey man

    Good on you for doing what you really want to do.
    But CD Baby has become another corporate entity with a bottom line where it's Soul used to be.
    Maybe it's good--now I got to get off my ass and promote a bit.

    Love, B

  103. Joel Laviolette II (2009-10-13) #

    Hi Derek,
    Not sure if you are still reading comments from thientry, but I find this story to also be relevant to bands. I often see bands living past their lifecycle when they are just holding onto some idea that used to resonate with them that no longer does. You can see it in the band's popularity, live shows, cd sales, etc, as well.

    Good lesson.

    Best regards,
    Joel Laviolette

  104. Bridget (2009-10-13) #

    I was curious about the change. I remember thinking, "He said he would never sell!" Although it felt really strange when you announced the sale, I mean you could feel it like a wave crashing all the artists on CD Baby who have loved what you did, it's even stranger to know that the best thing for you probably really was the best thing for us since your passion was changing. Your story is inspiring, Derek. Thanks for always sharing!

  105. Don Blevins (2009-10-13) #

    Any business can get to overpowering and time consuming and the grass on the other side looks greener. Just like playing music and songwriting; if it's in your blood, if it's your passion you will find away to incorporate it in to you life. Your Muckwork project will probably be Muchwork
    but you'll do good at it. Thanks for being a corresponder.

  106. Chris Jones (2009-10-13) #

    Hi Derek-

    Thanks so much for that. I recently left a company I helped build and had similar detached feelings. The realization of growing past people you considered family is hard.

    But I will share my first article for SonicScoop as an indicator of great things ahead.

    http://www.sonicscoop.com/?p=1499

  107. Dale LeRoy Perry (2009-10-13) #

    It ain't over till its over, and then it is.

  108. Napolitano (2009-10-13) #

    I agree with Bryan Borgman (2009-10-13)
    and all who say that the new CD Baby site is a great disappointment.
    We also miss the 'Hits' and the new lot said it would be available soon. That was many many weeks ago.
    No longer your problem ofcourse.
    Enjoy your freedom and good luck with your new ventures.
    Viva La Musica!

  109. Steve Adwell (2009-10-13) #

    Hey Derek, I followed your link to the wired article, and I am not surprised to learn about the trust fund. Very Cool!

  110. Mare Lennon (2009-10-13) #

    Love that you found a new road - it's very inspiring - but wow - CD Baby is very different - the payment thing is completely wonky, and the digital sales are completely bogus. I've sold and streamed, and have never received a payment. Selfishly, I wish you were still there.

    I say we clone you now while the getting is good!

  111. Siobhan O'Brien (2009-10-13) #

    Everytime I let go it is still a revelation to me, like i didn't learn from the last time I let go, but every new thing you have to let go of is a completely different situation. So as long as you keep learning from it, It has to be good.

  112. Michelle (2009-10-13) #

    Feeling pretty defeated right now. CDBABY today is not what I bought into.Very disappointed.Can we ask where to go from here? Is there another independent distributor for independent music?

    Michelle

  113. Ekayani Chamberlin (2009-10-13) #

    I am grateful you founded CD baby. It opened a lot of opps for distribution I would have never had.
    I am sorry you left too. I miss the baby logo, the friendliness of the images and am not really digging as a female musician knowing how many females are on cdbaby the image of the hipster dude rockstar the company now chooses to wear as a face for music. To me it seems retro and not in a good way.
    As George Carlin says "They always change what you like." Death is inevitable. I wish the new guys had adopted your warmth. The dashboard panels are cold and hard to read = corporate. I have been wanting to say this for a long time since I signed on in 1999. It's how I feel although I understand your decision to move on. I still wonder what you're going to do with the baby...

  114. Wayne Myers (2009-10-13) #

    It's great that you have moved on and are happy, Derek, and you have clearly explained why you had no other choice and it was the right thing for you to do.

    But I'd like to add a further voice to the chorus of those of us whose subsequent experience with CDBaby's new owners has been disappointing. It wasn't just that you and the whole company cared about the individual musician as customer's experience, no matter who they were, and that this was pleasant and unusual. It was also the fact that this support for the little guys translated into actual extra sales, somehow.

    Back then, I was telling everyone they'd be nuts not to sell their CD there. Those days are gone, the thing is basically broken, and I can't honestly recommend CDBaby any more to my fellow UK artists without a whole bunch of heavy caveats.

  115. Eric Person (2009-10-13) #

    All I know is something is missing with CDbaby now. I hope that changes. Bring that little baby logo back or something!!!! I used to average one to two checks a month for two years, now it's like nothing! Maybe it's the economy, but this new 'baby" is NOT hands on at all...

  116. Jim Alexander (2009-10-13) #

    Mr. Siver,
    I think it is great that you would share your story with all of us as it helps us understand why you sold the company as I was dissappointed myself when you announced you were leaving however your explanation puts everything in perspective. I would wish you nothing but the very best in whatever project you might develope. God Bless You, Jim Alexander

  117. Tania Rose (2009-10-13) #

    great read, DS

  118. Frances V. Long (2009-10-13) #

    I know how you feel about selling your business.

    My husband and I opened the first
    cash & carry super market in our town. We moved and expanded three
    times until we had a big super market. It took 30 years of our time and
    all of our energy ... We couldn't go anywhere together and were completely exausted. We decided money wasn't everything so we sold it and were never sorry. It was wonderful to be able to have fun
    together and do things we had no time for before.

    My husband is dead now and I wouldn't take anything for all the love and special time we had together.

  119. Patrick (2009-10-13) #

    Early this year we finally put our old web design company to rest, as well. So this post meant a lot to me.

    In my case, I wanted to do more than the old company could do. And for that I needed partners with vision. My creative team felt caged by the old company. It was definitely a breakup as well, but in our case we were able to buy and still use much of the intellectual property we created under the previous company. Now, 10 months into our rebrand, I'm thrilled and energized again.

    Change is never easy. But it's necessary. Good luck, Derek!

  120. Mark Rushton (2009-10-13) #

    Derek, you made the right decision.

    Thankfully, I believe I made the right decision when I decided to release my 7th album recently through Catapult Distribution rather than CDBaby (where my other 6 are distributed through).

    Catapult has a simple, unable interface and I was on iTunes worldwide within 2 weeks.

    Sometimes you've just gotta move on and not look back.

  121. Robert McDonald (2009-10-13) #

    Did you know, you sound like a musician with how you detail your stories?

    The world of business is change, and I look forward to seeing Muckwork go through it's unique cycles.

  122. Lynn Grotsky (2009-10-13) #

    I went through something similar. At first it is so hard to imagine giving up your baby, but when you feel it's to the right person or group...what a relief.

    However, I am SO SORRY they changed the website from the way you had it. Yours was much better.

    Still, friendly, good people there thoug.

  123. Roy Stone (2009-10-13) #

    I feel that if the enthusiasm is gone, then moving on is the only option, I live my music, I am busy & happy to be at it 24/7 & have a belief in what I am doing, I have been in Bands where the belief is not there & so neither is the enthusiasm, it just doesn't feel right, so I have quit them, after a lot of contemplation,so I am doing what feels right....oh & I still polish my guitars too !!!

  124. Dr.X/Solomon (2009-10-13) #

    Derek Man,
    Love the story, but come on man U MISS C.D. BABY, simply because IT's YOUR BABY !!!

    Check This out baby BOI, Ernest Holmes has a book called " CREATIVE MIND & SUCCESS " ,

    Read it and then U tell me .........................
    what Really Happened when you decided to sell your Co. !!!

    This guy talking about make the leap at the top of the curve....... man dude everyone who has a dream..... see's a mountain to Climb, once at the top..... they see an even Taller , Larger mountain, U don't just jump to the top of that mountain, from the one you are on.
    You gotta climb BACK into the Valley , wade through the MUCK OF THE MIRE in that Valley, then CLIMB to the Top of the other Mountain, it may be easier than the first time simply cause YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE !!!

    Quiet as it is kept, it ain't about the TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN............... IT's ABOUT THE VALLEYS & THE CLIMB........ daaaaaaaaaaa !!!!

    Derek if you don't miss c.d. baby I understand............ but man dude I miss you at C.D. BABY !!!

    Respect, bold as Luv.

  125. Steven Piperno (2009-10-13) #

    You evened the playing field for independent artists. Thank You!

  126. Eric Petersen (2009-10-13) #

    Was it Discmakers who took over ?
    I'm shocked, They did so well on my CD.
    Yeah, whoever it is just suck on the relaunch and on customer service, No idea how to integrate the two.
    You will always be a daily inspiration as an ass-kicker of the highest order. ( Third degree black belt) !!!!

  127. Rhonda Niden (2009-10-13) #

    I find it interesting that this blog created far less controversly, discussion, response in general than the one you most recently wrote about love....

    ...perhaps it is because not many can relate to building, creating, developing and owning their own business or company and then in turn letting go of this "baby". I wonder...

  128. Robert (2009-10-13) #

    Thanks for sharing. I always wondered a bit.

    It all began for me at CDbaby and CDbaby opened me the doors to success.
    greetings from germany

  129. Jerry Herrera (2009-10-13) #

    Hi Derek,
    as always thank you for sharing your experiences, as long as you are happy where you are, at this time in your life, that is what matters."Buena Fortuna" in your next endeavorsmilekeep us informed.
    Reff:
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Phil%204:4-7&version=NIV

  130. mark buck (2009-10-13) #

    I found out about CDBaby from a promoter who told me he loved discovering new acts on there. Cd baby broke the rules in the way a business should be run. Instead of selling a few careful selected artists selling huge amounts of product, they have thousands of artist selling much smaller amounts of cds.
    It was just what struggling musicians needed and it was fantastic for everyone.

    The thousands have probably now become millions and what once must have been a really fun operation must be a logistical nightmare. Corners have to be cut, hence 30 second snips of songs. So no one goes there to find new music, it is just a point of purchase.

    There is no going back. What is needed is a new model.

    So how about a sort of Spotify Unsigned, a place where you go to find new stuff. All tracks are streamed and full length, artists pay a small fee to go on but listeners pay nothing (but have to listen to commercial breaks)

  131. CJ Li (2009-10-13) #

    wow... awesome read. smile Thx so much for sharing this~

  132. Betsy Grant (2009-10-13) #

    I so appreciate that you've shared the experience of your process with us. Thanks Derek.

  133. Gary Bradshaw (2009-10-13) #

    I can remember the 1st time I talked to you and you basically had no Country Music on CdBaby. I believe we had to send you 5 cd's and $20.00 and you put everything up for us. I immediatly sent you 5 projects to do, 2 Bob Wills Jr., Jamie Cutler Harper, Woody Wills and Tom Cunningham and later talked Lonnie Ratliff into doing all the CdBaby stuff. One of his Artist which I have always promoted is Erin Hay who has done very well through CdBaby. Checks in the Bank every Tue.
    I think from where you started and what you had become and did for 100's of Artist I work with was perhaps the greatest thing that ever happened for the Indie Artist.
    The Indie Artist then had distribution.
    You were always reachable and answered every question. CdBaby was you,Derek. CdBaby changed the Music Industry for the better. I've said a million times, if I had a Music Business HERO, Derek Sivers would be at the top of my list. Thanks Derek for a great Company, you are missed.

    Great story above, thanks for sharing.

  134. Dennis (2009-10-13) #

    Always wondered about the background story on what happened and why.
    Cant down you for what you did... was knocked sideways when it happened. Nothing has happened lately to help straighten me out.

    We all gotta do what we gotta do... I can only wish you the best Derek.
    As well as saying what I've said to you before (which you probably never read as your email was filtered for you) Thanks for the all you've done nonetheless.

  135. Burt Noriega (2009-10-13) #

    Derek,

    You have had an amazing journey! I started with you in the beginning and I was grateful for someone who was willing to be innovative and put so much love and effort into helping others. CD Baby was a vehicle to open the world to new music. I believe that was your greatest accomplishment! You gave hope and opportunity to many who did not have any. You allowed dreams to soar...that is your gift.

    Companies come and go. Money is earned and spent...Nothing you can take with you! The experience is the value that no one can take from you or really set a value on..some experiences are priceless.

    The good news is that you did not spend a life time on it! The great news is that you can do it again...even better!

    The inspiration will come to you and you may bump into the right person that may lead the way.

    There are many theories about when to sell...but really if you don't sell history will repeat itself and as we are born companies will die.

    This is from personal experience. I have had many companies and great people who have worked for me. I have only bought and sold a few. But the ones I grew I kept to the end and allowed them to have a slow death without any effort to change their course. I wanted to experience their death to see where it would tak me. I learned. I rarely fired anyone because I had a talent for picking the right employees but the experience was rich. Today I am a business strategist and quietly work with companies that want to grow and I position them for results. I enjoy the work becuase I know first hand what makes companies tick. With my law and finance background I tend to give a unique perspective to my clients.

    Why am I telling you this? Because I have been equally successful in music and entertainment and have participated in the sale of over 60 million sound recordings. I have multiplatinum record awards on legendary recordings andhave performed before a billion viewers worldwide on the Grammy Awards. My formula is the same in everything I do. And yet the best has yet to come.

    I have admired your efforts and your gift to others. By moving on you allow many more to rise up.

    The message here is that many of your musicians at CD Baby need to know that you can enjoy life and still do music without feeling you are cheating yourself. You win just by playing the game!

  136. Lise Winne (2009-10-13) #

    It is good to know why you sold, but it's too bad that the people who buy are always the big corporations with no heart.

    One example: they promote the well-knowns & bestsellers & have lackadaisical bored employers on the phones.

    Question: did discmakers keep your old staff or did they replace them with their own?

  137. Hsia-Jung Chang (2009-10-13) #

    Whew! Thanks for solving the mystery. I've been wondering about it ever since you sold your company. CD Baby was a great vision. Thanks for making it happen!

  138. TShaka (2009-10-13) #

    Sorry Derek, but I ain't in support of you on this one; as you already know. It literally was cruel to leave us hanging. Ok, selfish of me I admit, but it was like showing a kid candy, even having them have a lick, then removing the candy and throwing it away.
    I've failed to even log into my account on CD Baby for months! Can't even buy music from it as the contact page keeps coming up!! I'm livid :-(@

    Derek, you left us in the middle of the storm and bailed, leaving the ship with no Captain and no rudder. That's not cool brother.

  139. Kevin Stonerock (2009-10-13) #

    I wonder what would happen if all of us directed our complaints and concerns ABOUT cdbaby TO cdbaby rather than to Derek?

  140. Ken Randall (2009-10-13) #

    Yea a great lesson in life is to learn not to hold ourselves to our own old promises. The hardest thing for most is to let go of what they have at the moment... To move forward you have to accept changes to change... I have had to do this a few times already... One thing one day we die and cant take nothing with us so in the knowledge of this moveing on decisions become a little easier...

  141. Jeffrey Titus (2009-10-13) #

    I believed in CDBaby when you owned it. Those days are over and I'm glad you moved on, but I sure wish there as another Derek out there with the right platform... I'd jump ship from DiscmakersBaby in a heart beat at this point.

    All of that said, thanks for sharing and the initially excellent experience you setup.

  142. Amandah Jantzen (2009-10-13) #

    I'm about to sell a piece of my "company" which I, too, thought I'd never part with. Every time I thought about it in the past, I couldn't make sense of it, but now, for some reason, it's just the opposite--it makes all the sense in the world to let go of this one piece, and in fact makes no sense whatsoever to try to keep it. I guess that's the "you just know" part.

    Timely post, Derek...

  143. Martin Lund (2009-10-13) #

    #140, brilliant idea! It is like addressing a ghost who is not in a position to do much of anything except haunt.

  144. Kate Michaels (2009-10-14) #

    It's one of the great American dreams to be able to sell your business.

    Everyone respects the fact that someone "outgrows" a business and needs to move on.

    It's a given business concept to leave the Widget Company and let someone else make and sell widgets "more, better, faster" than you ever could.

    Music, musicians and people aren't widgets.

    So do the same rules apply?

    Business people want us to think so.

    But I wonder?

    Are there another alternatatives besides selling or watching the business "fail" because of current lack of interest on the part of the owner/creator?

    And what do you do about a type of business that involves people and not widgets?

    I don't think the people who encourage selling businesses have that one under wraps yet.

    Maybe when numbers/money reach a certain critical mass individuals just don't count as much anymore.

    It's easy to see how one can start to view people as numbers.

    But we aren't.

    And we aren't widgets either.

    But to Discmakers, we are.

  145. Don (2009-10-14) #

    Derek, I am truly happy for your success at CDBaby and that you are happy after selling it. Way to go. It's the kind of story we all enjoy hearing.

    However, it has to bum you out on some level that Discmakers has taken one of the finest companies I've ever dealt with and, seemingly, done its best to destroy it.

    They wrecked the site. They wrecked the community. They don't seem to care.

    But, that's just my problem, and you don't owe anyone anything. Thanks for what you did!

  146. Jennarosa (2009-10-14) #

    Thank you for sharing your story, it reminds us who own a music business to give it some thought to sell or just close the doors when we are tired, chronic fatigued, is it worth it sometimes when we give 100% to our clients and most of them judge and be complainants in return and never say thanks.

    I agree there have been many problems since you sold CDBaby. Many Independent Artists state that the connection is not there anymore since you have moved on. I do hope that they get it all togethersmile and have it running the way you did Derek

  147. Alex Guitar (2009-10-14) #

    hey Derek,thanx for sharing! Some decisions we make unconsciously end up for our own benefit. Like"thanx god I did it", but this even beneficiary still regretful as well, I guess. My point is that even if you didn't calculate the perspectives for next 2-3 years you sold it right in time. Crisis will make the dirty work of killing off a lotta businesses & inflate the dollar itself. Hopefully you made a good investment after all. It's been a great company, it's still is, but perspectives are unclear. Filials around the world could help. Do you plan to go Europe or Asia with your new company?

  148. Richy Kicklighter (2009-10-14) #

    good luck, go see the world.

  149. Wendy Conrad (2009-10-14) #

    Derek, thank you for this post. For offering opportunity to express openly what's been on the 'collective' mind. ;-) I'd been wondering what the deal was... I too have missed you being at CD Baby. Very much so. It's not the same. Not by a long shot. At the same time, it's so important to follow ones heart when it's time to change direction and follow a different course. I applaud you for doing that. (of course, again, you're deeply missed.)
    I also didn't know it was DiscMakers who'd bought CD Baby... though it kinda makes sense now -- the setup of the site, the corporate, all-business bent, the unanwered e-mails, etc... (and, honestly can't count the number of times, always puzzled, I've thought to myself that above-mentioned old saying when logging out -- 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it...')
    My sentiments are reflected in many of the comments others are leaving... and also in the gratitude to you for all you've given each and every one of us in your absolute support of, belief in and commitment to the independent music community... Thank you, Derek. I remain hopeful...

    Wendy

  150. Rejyna Douglass-Whitman (2009-10-14) #

    misdirected...
    mislead...
    not your 'fault'
    let it go

    tragedy...parody...allegorical

  151. Will Ludford (2009-10-14) #

    Hello Derek, thanks for the message, I am sorry but I cant take anything from it. Walking away from something is sadly not for everyone. I have elderly neighbours who have looked after their disabled son for 40 years, they dont have an opt out cluase in getting up at 7 every morning to wash, clean, feed, clothe, four times a day then sell him and then send out emails about meetings with advice managers or gurus to ask are we making the right decision? Derek my friend, somebody gave you a damn good offer for the company, to good to pass, so you took the offer. If you feel guilty, next time you pass by a hospital, stop and go in and spend some time with the patients, dont give money, just your time, talk to them, give them hope, give them love. these decisions you can make on your own.

  152. Heather (2009-10-14) #

    Stories of transition are really useful for me. Thanks for sharing yours. I must say that my experience with CD Baby since your departure has felt much more corporate and a lot less enjoyable or easy, which has been a disappointment. But, I wish you all the best with Muckwork!

  153. Everett Adams (2009-10-14) #

    Things have changed since you've left and not for the best as I see it.

  154. Christobel (2009-10-14) #

    I hear you, but I still wish you hadn't sold!!!! It's not the same without you.

  155. Tom Thayer (2009-10-14) #

    I'm so glad you explained why you
    left. I appreciate what you did for me. Where else could I get a
    punk band from Holland to e-mail me
    and say they liked my country songs. You were accessible too and
    even took my call once. God bless you and your future endeavors.

  156. Thomas Zona (2009-10-14) #

    When I was in High School, I was in a cover band named “Combustion”.

    Even though I was the loner type, not in with the jocks or the heads, being the lead singer of a rock band put me in a category all of my own!

    We played at many of the dances… we even won the big High School Battle of the Bands contest!

    After graduation, instead of continuing with the band, I left and joined the Army.
    I volunteered for the draft at the tail end of the Vietnam War.

    I’ve spent from then until now trying to regain the “glory” I had in those days.

    I left the love of my creative life and have been playing catch-up ever since!

    But there’s a happy ending. The last couple of years have been very rewarding, thanks in no small part to you.

    But it took a while… so be prepared for the long haul… just in case.

  157. Geoff Knapp (2009-10-14) #

    It is an easier decision to sell when you hold the cards.

    How do you exit when you have a partner?

    Have you had a business partner?

  158. Alton Simpson (2009-10-14) #

    Good for you! Since you left it feels like it is missing something and I guess that is what you brought to the table. Thanks for getting us this far!

  159. Sheila McCann (2009-10-14) #

    Very interesting insight. Love the image!

  160. Baby Jane Dexter (2009-10-14) #

    I'm glad for all you information sharing and all you've done over these years. CD baby isn't as good without you.
    Sorry about that.
    bjd

  161. Leah (2009-10-14) #

    Thanks, Derek. Your insights are always timely and helpful. Your writing style is so readable, too. Frequently I print out a column of yours and post it near my desk as a reminder.

    I hope you're not too bummed over people's disappointment with what your company became after you left. Just take it as a compliment of how well you did when it was yours. There's no way you can control the outcome after you've let go. Can't have it both ways.

  162. Gen Berthault (2009-10-14) #

    That's an amazing article. The decision in all it's comlexity/simplicity is explained with such clarity that even I understand it, and the implications. Thank God.

  163. Carroll Jenkins (2009-10-14) #

    Glad to read your daily comments,and advice. Wish you the best. I would like your advive on how to better promote my CD. Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
    See my free e-book. That really has ALL of my advice about calling attention to your music. -- Derek

  164. Rizo Balic (2009-10-14) #

    Hi Derek,

    I know it is very difficult to know what will be the best things to do for the future when you are facing a dilemma to keep your current company as it is or to sell it and to start all over again hoping for the best.
    Sometimes you get it right other time you get it wrong, but end of the day as long as you carry on doing what you love the most, who cares what is the name or type of the company.

  165. Ali Williams (2009-10-14) #

    wow. fascinating - especially as I've just gone thru this process myself. I've come to the conclusion to give up my place and move on to bigger and better things.

    The hardest part is that I want to already be doing the other stuff!

  166. Carl McDaniel (2009-10-14) #

    Derek !!! you left far too soon, CD Baby, CD Teenager, CD Adult, think about this growth progression, and where your company could have gone, you were our captain Kirk, you boldly went where know one had gone before, now you're gone, you are, and will always be missed... thanks for the memories Derek! a true friend to all indie artists.

  167. Timothy Houston (2009-10-14) #

    I see companies that have been around for over 100 years, with generations of families still running them. If I had run out of ideas for growth, then I would have brought in a competent consultation firm that could share your vision and be able to foster growth based on that vision. I would have established a trustworthy management team years before the burnout stage, so that you'd be freed up to take an extended leave of absence and let them run the company. That way you would still be the owner and your dream would never die. Your biz is your baby, in your case your cdbaby, and you never run out on your babies! That's like investing all your time into your family and then getting burned out because in the process you didn't put time aside for yourself. Is the solution divorce so you can now have time to yourself, when it was your fault for not scheduling time for yourself. Is that fair to your family? You had the passion for CDbaby, will your successors, or will they use it just to generate profit margin?

  168. Riley Weber (2009-10-14) #

    Thanks for all your hard work at CDbaby. You made it possible to share my music in ways that I couldn't do it myself.

    I look forward to your next projects, esp. muckwork.

  169. Deborah Semer (2009-10-14) #

    I have been contemplating the same this week!

    "Let go, or you'll be dragged"

    - been chewing on it all week, wish I could decide in one day like you D. I have rushes of lingering joy.

  170. Mario Aguirre (2009-10-14) #

    I think nowadays CD Baby is less than it was in Derek's times. There's no longer alternative pages we the clients could create, and sells (obviously, influenced by global situation) are not growing (at least, a little) though declining. Current Web design of CD Baby is quite good (we can intruduce a photo) but the Sales page is now incomplete. I think Cd Baby would have to sustain a more agressive presence in the Internet, to keep leadership. We've accepted a few cents less in our sells to contribute with the target...

  171. Wayne Myers (2009-10-14) #

    #140, #144 - Do you really think people are not also addressing their concerns directly to CDBaby? Of course we are. It's just that there isn't much of a response from over there any more.

  172. Dennis (2009-10-14) #

    Derek seriously, most of us know where the real blame lies an it's not with you.

    You did a great thing and I applaud you... it's your life, do what you've got to do an live it.

  173. Susan Bailey (2009-10-14) #

    Thanks for sharing your story. It very much mirrored mine. I had a website devoted to the promotion of performing artists of the Catholic faith called GrapeVine and after 10 years, I put it in the hands of a new owner. I was surprised how easy it was, but you're right, when it's time, it's time. I've felt less than enthusiastic about GrapeVine for about a year and the minute I let it go, the new owner got right to work! He is infusing fresh blood into GrapeVine and making it so much more vibrant. It's the best decision I've made in a long time.

    Your story validated mine. Thanks!

  174. Amy Humphrey (2009-10-14) #

    Glad you've moved on. Change is good. For people who haven't run their own business, I think it's hard to understand that you're not doing anyone any favors by staying when the passion has petered out.

    I was cracking up at how much "How do you know when it's time to sell" sounds like, "How do you know if this is the right person to marry?"

    Exhale, inhale, exhale some more and do what you feel like when you feel like it. You're an entrepreneur, so you don't have to answer to anybody.

  175. Nita Hope (2009-10-14) #

    It's clear that a lot of people haven't seen the "graph of all development" up above. I've been with Cdbaby for years too. Nope, I'm not selling anywhere near what I did when Derek ran the show. It's not the same place. It runs like AIG after they got caught. But, according to what Derek's saying, that's how the cookie crumbles and we're stuck with the crumbs. Companies change owners; people move on. We can apply that same principle to cdbaby now; is it time to stay or go?

    Derek, I hope muckwork turns out well for you. I'm glad you were so successful in that endeavor. I'm sorry to see you leave the arena. Taking a year to exhale is a wonderful idea. My concern is that time moves pretty fast in the music industry. The time that you've been gone, added to the time that you say you will be gone, could add up to harder work for you in the end, promoting and selling muckwork.

    Hope the exhale isn't that long. And yeah, you can count me in with others who feel that perhaps discmakers (who I also have a relationship with) might not have been the best company, or perhaps they needed to adopt some basic learning psychology principles before they screwed up the site this much.

    My stage IV (terminal cancer) patients don't have a lot of time to exhale and they'd give anything to have what you have, so from them to you: Inhaling is really nice too. smile

  176. Frank (2009-10-14) #

    Great story! I am happy for you, but sad you are no longer at CD Baby. It's just not the same. The new owner does not display the kind of energy you do. CD Baby for you was truly your baby; for him, it's a business.
    I enjoy your posts, and I am glad to still have you be a part of my life!
    All the best,
    Frank

  177. Serina Jung (2009-10-14) #

    Derek, thanks for sharing. By the way, you've done more than most peoples' fair share of giving to the music community, so anything you do here-on-in is bonus candy. I kind of wish people would stop suggesting that you owe anyone anything just because you've been successful. Come on friends, people don't owe more just because they're rich or have been successful!

    Anyway, thanks for your good work. I'm among those who look forward to your other projects. Your track record is great - so you can count on a few enthusiasts who already trust you.

    peace,
    Serina

  178. Michelle (2009-10-14) #

    Hi Derek,
    I feel like many of us really got off topic by bringing up our disappointment with the "new" CDBABY. I got on the phone today and talked to someone at customer service. They are trying to fix the problems and have already addressed some of the objections I read here yesterday. I am going to stick with the projects our label has already submitted to date.

    I think they may be light years behind on incoming emails. Has this really been going on for two months?

    Anyway, I send them my best and heartfelt wishes. Rock On!!CDBABY!

    Michelle Scott-Chiodo

  179. Darcie Deaville (2009-10-14) #

    The timing of your recent posts are perfect for me. Between reading and thinking metaphorically and this one, I am in the middle of a band decision, so there are other people with their own ideas. When looking at your graph, I see which stage the band is in, but I'm a relatively new member, and I have other musical projects of my own. I see potential for re-growth with the band (it's a 30 yr old band), yet there would be plenty of work ahead for us. But there's plenty of work ahead no matter which direction I take. And until I get the band members' reactions to my ideas, I can't think "hell yeah!" in any direction just yet. I feel like I'm in limbo. I've laid out plans for several of my directions, but I can't seem to act on any of them. What to do? Where do I spend my time and energy? The website I provided is one of mine, not the band I'm talking about.
    This is my main philosophy: http://sivers.org/scares-excites-do-it (+ related: http://sivers.org/compass ) -- Derek

  180. Tom Ussery (2009-10-14) #

    there's the chance they will sell it back to you for a buck and a quarter.

  181. Steven Webb (2009-10-14) #

    Thanks for this post Derek. I have always been in awe of your passion and energy, and how much you have done for independent artists. I was very sad when you sold CD Baby, but even sadder now to hear that you rewrote the whole back-end just 2 years ago, and were so proud of your accomplishment. It all worked great was indeed a glorious thing!

    But that all came to a big crashing end in July when they abandonded your Linux-based system in fabor a Windows-based one, and completely hosed the website in the process. Sales are down, hits are down, accounting is screwed up, customer service is hanging on by a thread, and on and on...

    The BBS that used to be full of your frequent nice surprises and announcments along with a ton of excited and grateful musicians has turned into a wasteland of unhappy campers, bug reports, and customer service nightmares.

    Certainly not blaming you for moving on - you gave your left nut for us DIY musicians for years.

    Just had to say something here though, because losing what CD Baby was has been like having a death in the family.

    So I'd say another key takeaway from all this is that the old adage is true: if you want something done right you have to do it yourself smile

    Probably wouldn't have mattered who you sold it too, 'cause no one else could ever have the passion and energy that you put into it.

    Cheers,
    -Steve

  182. dexter williams (2009-10-14) #

    Hey,Derek thanks for share your story cheers with the best.

  183. George Finizio (2009-10-14) #

    I suspect we have an instinct for knowing when it might be time to move on to something else...it's nice when you can do it yourself instead of say in pro sports when you're "cut" and a coach or manager makes that decision for you...in entertainment as well for that matter...

    Sorry you're not with CDBaby any longer Derek, but I imagine right now you're happy with the decision you made and are enjoying your life more because of it...

  184. Bonny Buckley (2009-10-14) #

    I love reading these discussions. I once had a call in the last year from someone interested in 'buying' my business. I ignored it. What could I sell, anyway, my contacts, my music, my instrument, my soul? The name? There isn't anything I really wanted to sell. My business isn't that busy, which is actually just the right thing because if it were too busy I think I'd get bored or annoyed with it. As it is, we just get some of the best gigs possible in my home region of the US and now in Shanghai, and love the hell out of it when we do. For me when it isn't fun anymore is when I will sell ... something, maybe an instrument or two that I don't use very much, or just take a break and give stuff away. I just realized that the money really is not the measure for me; it's more about how I'm magnetized toward playing string quartets with great players, making events extra special with our music and personalities, just making this happen. It's not an easy thing to be a string quartet player. I would imagine it's one of the hardest ensembles to make work, after suffering with some difficult situations in the first few quartets I ever played in my life. But for me now it's kind of like breathing. I just have to do it and it feels pretty good. I think our enthusiasm and love for the clients always carries us along. Luckily I also really enjoy teaching which pays more bills than the quartet playing. It would be great if Muckwork could help manage some of the difficulties of logistics in the future!

  185. Kathy Greenholdt (2009-10-14) #

    I really loved reading this post and how you came to your final decision. The "Is it time to quit?" question applies to so many different things in life.

  186. Celeste (2009-10-14) #

    Derek,
    I fully understand. I have changed professions several times. You have to be true to yourself. The new system will work out and no transition can be expected to flow perfectly. You made the decision that you need to make to take care of you and yours. You've gotta do that in life.

  187. Kama Linden (2009-10-14) #

    Although I am happy for you I have not been happy with CD baby or FILM baby since you left. I have received 2 miniscule payments from on line distribution from CD baby from an album that had quite a bit of airplay, and film baby cant get it together to keep or send back my dvds and sends me an email every week and still never returned the merchandise. I dont know that the company you sold CD baby to actually audits itunes and such to see if the payouts are even correct. I really wish I did tune core and now I cant switch.

  188. Eileen O'Toole (2009-10-15) #

    Cheers for that post Derek. I also wondered why you sold up and funnily enough its a good lesson for more than just selling a company-leaving a project or a band or a country for that matter.
    As for the matter of quality service from the people you sold CD baby to, I'd have to agree with the previous comment. Though my wee cd isn't a huge money maker, I was informed that the five copies sold out and dutyfully sent more but have yet to see any returns.

  189. Cam Houser (2009-10-15) #

    Great insight on a really tough question from someone who has been there. Thanks Derek.

  190. Audrey Auld-Mezera (2009-10-15) #

    I wonder if the other bidder could have done a better job than the current operator? They don't respond to emails! To me that shows no concern for their suppliers at all. I am sorry they didn't keep the code you so carefully created. The new site sucks

  191. Kathy Osgood (2009-10-15) #

    Dear Derek, The secret of your success seems to be that you're a musician/artist 1st and a business person 2nd. Your employees,clients and customers felt heard.Your aesthetic,clear web design gave an excellent presentation. I wondered if you counseled with any women when you were making your cd baby decision? It's not necessarily that the opinions would have been different or have lead you to a another conclusion-just a chance perhaps to create more balance. Thank you for your well-run,cared for company. It really did set a high standard. All the best to you! K. Osgood
    All my best friends are women, so I get lots of that perspective. smile -- Derek

  192. Sam Stray (2009-10-16) #

    Like most of us who have come to know and admire you, we are happy for you and you are missed being Mr. CDBABY. From what I read of the disappointments of the new owners you are a great loss to what we all were proud to be apart of....derek@cdbaby.com

  193. Tracey Whitney (2009-10-16) #

    Well Derek, it seems to me that you are happy with your decision, and in the end thats what matters. Muckworks looks like fun! So go to it...

  194. Cyril Darensbourg (2009-10-16) #

    What will I do if someone offer to buy my business? I would not sell my company, the main reason i started the company was to have the freedom to do what I want and to have something I could pass on to my kids. I do not want someone coming behind me a change what I started which have happen to CD Baby.

  195. Glowing Face Man (2009-10-16) #

    Brilliant. Right now I'm wondering whether I should stick with my PhD program or quit, and I think it's a similar sort of situation...

  196. John Robles (2009-10-18) #

    When I found CDBaby, I was thrilled. It had everything I wanted. Derek, you were such a father hen to us budding CD Artists. I miss that family feeling, but I am glad you are still here keeping us feeling cared about. You have taken on a guru role to me! I am sorry CDBaby has not lived up to your vision, but all good things must come to an end. Any suggestions for other outlets? I've been trying to find one but have been unsuccessful..Thanks for being there!!

  197. Colie Brice (2009-10-21) #

    Life is an artist who paints us with experience..

  198. Luc (2009-10-21) #

    When the day finally comes that you decide to sell Muckwork... please make it a condition of sale that they keep your "back end"... ;o)

  199. Jennifer Vazquez (2009-10-26) #

    I always love to hear about your journey and choices you make. Thank you for sharing Derek!
    smile
    Jen Vazquez

  200. Nick Yeoman (2009-10-30) #

    I've always enjoyed freelancing, but I need a stable job so I like my company regardless.

  201. Paula Benson (2009-11-19) #

    I'll be honest I was shoked when I found out. I was hoping the person that took over would not be a nut. A nut about money only, because I was going to leave cdbaby. Later, I realized the company that purchased cdbaby was a company I was dealing with. I love their service and I decided to stay. Derek I am happy that you are doing what you want. I remembered asking you years ago about doing your own music again. Your music is what you are doing.

    Paula

  202. Aaron (2009-12-07) #

    Great to hear an honest experience from a fellow business owner and entrepreneur. I'll be able to use some of those ideas when it is my time to decide.

  203. Melissa Axel (2009-12-09) #

    Love the comparisons to breakups and moving, reminded me of the example one of my mentors used to describe the feeling of actually letting go (she's from Italy):

    "When you take me to the airport, we will hug and say goodbye, and even though we know we'll meet again, we'll be sad as I walk away and you walk back to your car. And then, you will turn the key in the ignition, and there will come the moment when you drive away and won't look back. You know that I am on my way and you are on yours."

  204. Donald Randolph (2010-07-27) #

    Absolutely fascinating and inspiring. I wondered where the "CD Baby loves...." went, but didn't put two and two together. Now, the story told, it makes sense and shows change and insight in many ways. Having personally left a six figure income to take a position at half the income, it became very apparent that neither enthusiasm nor motivation are linearly related to what you receive financially for your effort. Burn out? Not a chance. Re-birth? Perhaps. Spiritual expansion? Definitely. Although I cannot say that I don't miss the personalized format you exuded at CD Baby, I can say that you have expanded your horizons at a time when most have watched theirs diminish to an almost unbearable twilight. Thank you for taking the time to write and share this thought provoking experience, one which will give pause to the vast majority who read it.

  205. Jake (2010-07-31) #

    Well I just learned today that CDBaby changed hands two years ago. I'm a little shocked, but now at least I know what was behind some of the changes. I don't visit as much, but I still find some awesome music there from time to time. I must say when I found CDBaby for the first time I really thought it was a website/service that I should have developed. Happy Trails ... it must be nice to roam again.

  206. Jack Mckee 2nd (2010-07-31) #

    thanks for funding one of my favorites music sites.

  207. Gunnar Edholm (2010-11-25) #

    When I bought CD's from CD Baby I received nice mail saying: the CD was carefully taken from the shelf put on a linen pillow and packed for deliver to me in Sweden. It was a very nice way to meet me as a customer, I haven't met anything like that before. You did a good job - relax & enjoy life. Gunnar

  208. Gunnar Edholm (2010-11-25) #

    It was always a nice experience dealing with CDBaby and Derek, enjoy life instead of looking back my friend, Gunnar edholm.

  209. Rafee (2010-12-12) #

    simply Great, Derek. I am really sorry i could not meet up with you when you were in singapore. Do email, if you are passing by again. Warm Regards and May you be blessed with The Best of Health, Happiness and Success.
    Raffee

  210. David William (2011-04-01) #

    I didn't follow this story as it was happening, but it seems you really grew personally when you were able to let go and re-align yourself with your passions. The NPR bit makes it all sound so easy!

    Still, this is insanely incredible. And encouraging.

  211. Jessica (2011-07-03) #

    I listened to your audio book. It taught me a lot. Thanks Derek.

  212. McKenna Elise Adams (2011-09-10) #

    I agree with a lot of people on here that have said CD Baby has changed. Their right it has. Now, they charge way more then just a little $5.00 for everything.Now, for an album it's $59.00 + $5.00. For, set up. For a single it's $14.95 + $5.00. I found this out. Talk about a rude awakening. When a girl that works there named Michelle. Told me to not send my temporary project in order to help raise money for two other projects in music that I'm working on. Not, to send the CD unless in with the $5.00 I send $59.00 as well along with the CD. Needless, to say I emailed her back telling her that's ridiculous. What a rip off. then I emailed you Derek and told you about what happened. I told her that if it doesn't change I'm gonna find somewhere else to sell my CDs. I've not gotten a reply back. And my CD is just waiting to be sent to...who knows who? It's sad cuz, in a way I think of CD Baby as still being your company. Cuz, it was your idea. It all started with you Derek. Now, CD Baby has become a big joke. And, I feel bad not to sell my CD there anymore because in a way like I said I feel it's still yours. Because your the one who started it all. If, it wasn't for you a lot of artists would have to find other ways to sell their music. It's a shame that DiscMakers has changed it all.

  213. Jonathan Thomas (2011-10-01) #

    Derek, this article is very interesting because I have shared the exact same feeling before. A total loss of interest in a career I so passionately dedicated my life too. The rough economic times have provided the stimulus I needed in being laid off to just move on.

  214. Jonathan Thomas (2011-10-01) #

    I believe sometimes God gives us these changes in feelings because it is in fact "time to move on". He has so much that He would like us to accomplish in life. Cheers to your being able to let go. I am still in the process of entirely moving on emotionally. Detachment takes time! smile

  215. Donna (2011-10-31) #

    Derek,

    I found your site because I did a search on Jared Rose. Jared was my coach, too, and I've been trying to reach him for months. Do you have any contact information on Jared?

    Thanks!

    Donna
    Yep! See twitter and LinkedIn -- Derek

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